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Contents 1 Five forms of attire 2 Delete Garrison Dress (Canadian) 3 merger of articles 4 Move to Fatigues

[edit] Five forms of attire

Hmmm. When I was in school cadets, we had five forms of attire:

• A combat uniform of jungle green cottons, known as "JGs" for obvious reasons. We were issued with two shirts and one pair of trousers, and strongly and well advised to buy a second pair of trousers. These were worn for most parades and for serious military exercises, and to firing ranges.
• A woollen dress uniform consisting of khaki trousers and jacket that buttoned together, worn with braces (issued) a khaki shirt (from our school uniform) and a khaki tie (issued). This was known as Battle Dress or BDs, and was worn for public parades and travelling to and from camp.
• A working set of old JGs or khaki clothing, called working dress or "WDs", issued when in camp and worn whenever JGs or BDs weren't required... work parties, less serious exercises.
• Dress kilt, a kilt worn with a BD jacket, khaki shirt and tie and white webbing for the most serious public parades. Not all cadets were issued with a kilt, it was an honour reserved for the senior platoons, the others just wore their BDs.
• Summer kilt, the same kilt worn with a JG shirt and white dress webbing, in summer whenever orders called for it. I never quite worked out why, perhaps it was to get us used to the kilt! Anyway, it was rather fun.

The kilt was always worn with a beret (not issued and compulsory, it was the price you paid for the honour), WDs with a slouch hat or giggle hat if you owned one (again, not issued and highly recommended), BDs with slouch hat (or beret possible in theory for kilted platoons but that was rare), JGs with whatever headware was ordered, if unspecified your choice of slouch or giggle. And always the same pair of black leather boots, shined for parades and dull for exercises, you either made good friends of them or suffered very badly. Ah, memories!

Anyway, the point of all that is that in the Australian armed services in the late 1960s, Battle Dress meant a dress uniform based on the battle dress of the world wars and of Korea, while what we wore into combat in theory was JGs or in more serious units camos (we didn't rate those).

Which isn't what this article says at all! Not quite sure how to update it. Suggestions? I'll have a go sometime after a bit more thought. Andrewa 17:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, it seems that "battledress" (or "battle dress") means different things in different countries; on the other hand, the name each country uses for the uniform they wear in combat also differ. This seems to me to be a case of trying to find a generic encyclopedia article title that would cover the subject, i.e. the military uniform worn when continuing politics by other means. The article could easily have been called "Combat uniform" or some such. Even though "battle dress" does not fall into the Canadian military lexicon (at least since Korea), it seems to me to be an acceptable compromise, especially when the correct Canadian term is indicated. SigPig 01:25, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Delete Garrison Dress (Canadian)

If no one has any objection, I'm going to delete the part about garrison dress. Other than the fact it had a camo pattern, the uniform had nothing to do with battle dress; combats are No. 5 order of dress, garrison was No. 4. Different uniform, different purpose. BTW, I think the official camo pattern of Garrison Dress was "Canadian Tire Duck Hunter Special." SigPig 01:30, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

No objections observed here in the month, so I'm deleting the reference to garrison dress. SigPig 13:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] merger of articles

OPPOSE - Battle Dress Uniform, just like Battle Dress, is a specific type of battledress, and should be treated as a separate subject. Cornell Rockey 13:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move to Fatigues

Even in the US, Battledress is an Army term, not a Marine Corps term. Given that the word has different meanings and appears here to be used in the branch specific US Army sense, perhaps this general article should use the universal term "fatigues" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.239.253.2 (talk) 21:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the references to US fatigues should be moved out, but Battle Dress was the official term for No 5 Dress and its equivalents throughout the commonwealth, and from 1938-1970 was a considerably more 'universal' term than fatigues which is basically a US only usage as regards uniform (elsewhere it is a form of duty or task).Blackshod 09:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)