Talk:Battle of the Save

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[edit] References?

I found no references for this battle. According to my sources, Magnus Maximus was captured at Aquileia.--Panairjdde 18:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sisica, a proper location of the battle

I agree. As the battle might happened in the surroundings of my home town, I have checked some available literature and none of them records the battle "of the Save". Although it records that Emona was involved in conflict with Maximus. That can be found in Schmid's "Emona"^[1]. It says Maximus succeeded to plunger and occupy city of Emona for several months. Same author and modern history notice (triumphal) ^[2] arriving of Emperor Theodosius in the liberated city, during the war.^[3]

I have also found some on-line sources regarding Maximus and year 388 that I have listed below.

Summarising all listed literature, we can find out that Theodosius found Maximus army that "after the siege of Æmona (Emona), ... fixed ... (their) camp in the neighborhood of Siscia ... strongly fortified by the broad and rapid stream of the Save". And that after few months Theodosius "squadrons of archers who fought on horseback" attacked Maximus army defeating them. Afterwards Theosodius marched through Emona "to receive the loyal acclamations of the citizens" towards Aquileia. We can easily conclude that battle "of the Save" could not happen near Emona, today Ljubljana, Slovenia, but few hundred kilometers southern in plains of the river Sava near Siscia, today Sisak, Croatia.

References:

The History of the Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire - Vol 3, chapter 3, by Edward Gibbon
The History of the Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire - Vol 3, chapter 4, by Edward Gibbon
Theodoret, Jerome, Gennadius, & Rufinus: Historical Writings note quotation reffering Hodgkin's “Dynasty of Theodosius” p. 127.
The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon — In The West Chapter XXVII

^ Schmid, Walter; Emona, Vienna 1913 (COBISS)
^ Enciklopedija Slovenije VI, 1996; f. 221 (Ljubljana, History of Ljubljana) (COBISS)
^ Enciklopedija Slovenije VI, 1996; f. 221 (Ljubljana, History of Ljubljana) (COBISS)