Talk:Battle of the Granicus

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Contents 1 Old move request 1.1 Discussion 2 Coordinates 3 Hoplites? 4 Speculation? 5 Alexander close to death? 6 Casualties 7 Requested move

[edit] Old move request

Battle of the Granicus (334) to move to Battle of the Granicus (334 BC) and delete the first one with the Battle of the Granicus as a redirect to the second one. Sorry, I goofed on the moves; I've been away a while. jaknouse 16:06, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

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• Propose no move

• Proposed move to "Battle of the Granicus (334 BC)"

• Proposed move to "Battle of the Granicus"
  • Support this alternative and oppose other options. As there is no other battle on Wilipedia with that name there is no need to to have moved the page name to a name which includes the year. redirects can take care of any index concerns which jaknouse has Philip Baird Shearer 19:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Yeah, move it back to Granicus, assuming no other battles took place there. Adam Bishop 16:41, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 19:14, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

The guidelines Wikipedia:WikiProject_Battles#Article title do not recommend using years for battles. Nor does WP:NC. Philip Baird Shearer 19:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

See also Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Battles#Dates in battle page names --Philip Baird Shearer 21:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Im making changes according to this unbiased site: http://monolith.dnsalias.org/~marsares/warfare/battle/granicus.html

[edit] Coordinates

Is it possible to get coordinates for the location of the battle? Mmace91 00:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

No - nobody knows the exact location

[edit] Hoplites?

The infobox lists 22,000 hoplites as part of the strength of Alexander's forces. I would guess his Greek allies fielded more or less classical hoplites, but the core heavy infantry from Macedonia itself were phalangites/sarissaphoros rather than hoplites. Sakkura 03:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation?

I am concerned that these statements in the "Battle" section

"This would make sense out of the Persians' nonsensical order of battle. The Persian cavalry would hurry to the location of Alexander’s night crossing and reach the scene of the battle first, with the slower infantry struggling in the rear to catch up with the battle. Even if Alexander eventually won the battle, he would have had ample motivation to cover up his first initial defeat on Asian soil, and he would be loath to admit that he was wrong and Parmenion was right."

constitute original research. Can someone identify whose musings these are or shall we remove this? Argos'Dad 22:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander close to death?

I've edited the Aftermatch section where it said Alexander came closest to death in this battle. This is not accurate. He did not receive a flesh wound here, whereas Alexander took a poisoned arrow to the chest in the battle with the Malli in India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vvarkey (talk • contribs) 16:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

alexander was stunned by an axe blow from a persian noble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Immortals (talk • contribs) 07:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Casualties

PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE NUMBER OF CASUALTIES TO 350. it is totally wrong and do not remove my cited account of 115 casualties and the number of wounded. i will be monitoring this and report it to wikipedia staff if you are to remove my cited work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Immortals (talk • contribs) 07:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

In this and in many other articles, somebody ADDED that on the side of Macedonians (renamed to "Macedon") there were "Greek allies". Is there any evidence about that? Citation is needed (from a neutral source). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.29.242.218 (talk) 22:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)