Talk:Battle of the Beaufort (1982)

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A fact from Battle of the Beaufort (1982) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 14 May 2008.

[edit] POV

Unintentional, I'm sure, but there seems to be an Israel bias to this article. Why is there so little detail on how the Palestinians came to hold the Castle, how long they had been there, what they hoped to achieve by holding it etc, when there is a lot of background on the Israeli plans to attack? Why are none of the Palestinian fighters named? Why is there nothing in the aftermath section about the Palestinian reaction to the loss of the castle? For these reasons, I am putting a POV tag on the article. 86.136.31.176 (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

My primary sources, as you can see, are Israeli ones. They are based on interviews with the soldiers. I'm not even positively sure whether or not there were Palestinian survivors. There is some background on the castle. Other than this, do you see a "Pro-Israel" line in the article? -- Nudve (talk) 14:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I didn't think it was pro-Israeli in how you wrote it: the language seems very neutral. It's just in what you wrote about. I see that all your sources are Israeli and fully understand that there may be few contemporary reports written from the Palestinian side of things (the winners usually write the history, as we all know!), but it makes the article very lop-sided. Surely there must be later reports on the battle, or academic syntheses of the Palestinian reactions to the loss of the castle available? I can't believe there is nothing available fm the Palestinian viewpoint. It would make the article more balanced if you could find some and include them. Otherwise, a very interesting article. 86.136.31.176 (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. A quick search in google books has so far come up with little. I'll try to find more when I have time. Thanks for the observations. -- Nudve (talk) 14:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I came to this discussion because I notice that it was solely from the Israeli POV. For example, the israeli fighters are personalized with names, the Palestinians are not. The background for the Israeli situation before the battle is document, the background for the Palestinians is not. I do understand that there are limited sources of information for the Palestinian POV, but as the article is it strikes me as a "heroic war story."

That's true, in a way. The battle is famous in Israel a heroic yet ultimately tragic battle. That's part of the reason for the article's notability. Judging by the way the Palestinians fought, it should probably be the same for them. Maybe there are sources in Arabic. -- Nudve (talk) 16:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Damage to the castle

Many historic structures are damaged in war. Was this true of the castle? What damage did it suffer as a result of the attack, if any? 86.136.31.176 (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There probably was, but I'm not sure exactly how much. -- Nudve (talk) 14:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There's discussion of damage to the castle at various points throughout history at the Beaufort Castle, Lebanon article. 69.74.234.178 (talk) 15:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)