Talk:Battle of Yavin

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[edit] Dogfight pictures

Say, do you think when can get pictures of the dogfights? I'd do that, but I don't know how to upload pictures.- B-101 12:28, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Fan speculation??

Is all of this information really gleaned from Star Wars movies, books, etc.? Or is some of it fan speculation? For example, how does anyone know how many independent contractors were on the Death Star??? ike9898 22:33, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC) I believe its a reference to this scene from Clerks, where two of the characters debate about how the Rebel Alliance killed innocent independent contractors on the DS. (I think it was the DSII, though). --Kross 06:09, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

I think you're right. Which would make it speculation. I'll wait a bit for objections, but then I'm going to trim some of this type of material out. ike9898 15:12, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Civilian Contractors

Actually there were civilian contractors aboard the Death Star. They appeared in A New Hope wearing the same uniform of the imperial officers with no rank insignia. DarthPlaegis; 05:38; October 2, 2005

[edit] "Second" victory?

Please, don't bother reminding me--I already know what is the hobgoblin of little minds. I'm aware the sun will rise tomorrow, whether or not I get an answer to my trivia(l) question.

I'm puzzled by the assertion that after the first Death Star was destroyed:

"The Rebel Alliance had won their second victory."

If so, then what was their first victory?

Perhaps it was the recruitment of Luke Skywalker as a potential Jedi; Luke being the son of Anakin, it was likely the Force would be with him powerfully. However, it could be argued that Luke was destined to become a central figure in the struggle against the Empire, and it's hard to characterize as a "victory" something which Fate could not possibly allow to happen otherwise. Also: consider that Obi-Wan went to Tatooine in anticipation of offering Jedi training to Luke. Important, yes, but something more like a plan than a victory.

(I don't know whether enhanced ability to use the Force is hereditary. But it seems likely. Consider the mention of Anakin's uniquely potent midi-chlorian count The Phantom Menace. Add to this Luke's remark to Leia, "The Force is strong in my family," The Return of the Jedi -- a supposition borne out by the spiritual gifts evident in both of Anakin's children. Anyway, this is speculative. I'm certain other fans have devoted much more thought to whether genetic factors contribute to application of the Force. Pardon my digression.)

A primary concern which led me to raise this question is that Wikipedia's Galactic Empire page is not consistent with this page. Referring to Luke's perfect shot--the one which ended the Battle of Yavin, leaving the Empire bereft of their most-fearsome weapon--the Galactic Empire article states:

"The victory was the Rebel Alliance's first major success against the Empire..."

So, which was it? The first, or the second?

Perhaps there was an earlier victory: one I'm forgetting, or one which would be obvious if I were more familiar with the Expanded Universe. If so, I'd be curious to know what it was. --drone5 09:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought that the second victory bit was referring to the theft of the plans and remission of them to the Alliance- stealing the very technical blueprints and specifications of the Galactic Empire's most top secret military project could be seen as quite a victory. As for the Empire article, it's either wrong or counting differently- lumping the theft in with the destruction of the 1st Death Star. --maru (talk) Contribs 00:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Read the text at the start of A New Hope it clearly states that the Rebel Alliance won its first victory during the battle where the Death Star plans were stolen.

[edit] 0 BBY?

Just out of curiosity. Does a year 0 BBY exist, or only the years 1 BBY and 1 ABY? --Ravn 11:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

It exists. It is the year of the Battle of Yavin. --maru (talk) contribs 17:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
And your reference is...? Mstuomel 09:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've found references to 0 (not with any ABY/BBY designations) in the Star Wars Encylopedia by Stephen J. Sansweet published in 1998 by Virgin Publishing Ltd. along with a 0+ABY reference (presumably denoting the latter part of that year.) In the time line of the New Jedi Order novel The Unifying Force by James Luceno the events of the movie Episode IV: A New Hope are identified as being "year 0". Those are the only references I can find at the moment, although it's more than likely that there are others. --81.107.39.205 11:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why wait for the moon to clear the planet?

This is something I've been thinking about since I first saw the original film in the theaters back in the 70's. If the Death Star could destroy a planet (as evidenced in the destruction of Princess Leia's home planet). Why didn't the crew on the Death Star just blow up Yavin to get it out of the way, and then blow up the moon where the rebel base was? Or at least the shock waves of the planet's destruction would have seriously limited the rebel's ability to attack the Death Star? I'm just sayin'...

Yavin is a gas giant planet, so the effects of the Death Star's superlaser on it may have been very different that on a rocky planet like Alderaan. And the Death Star was a lot closer to Yavin than Alderaan, so the shockwave might have crippled the Death Star as well. No to mention it'd take time for the superlaser to recharge, and that's just time wasted. In short, It was easier to let gravity and momentum do the work and orbit to within range of the fourth moon. Of course, the Rebels had a nascient Jedi in their ranks, which screwed up the Empire's plans altogether. oknazevad 17:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Since mid-August, some users have attempted to delete this page and redirect it to Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. By the number of reverts of this by multiple users in the page history, this is obviously a controversial deletion. This should be taken to WP:AFD and/or discussed here on the talk page. —Lowellian (reply) 05:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Just as a technical point, AfD may result in merging or redirection, but it is absolutely untrue that editors need to go through AfD to change an article to a redirect, or vice versa; these are actions within the scope of normal editorial abilities (unlike deletion, which requires administrator-level access to carry out). Dispute resolution (i.e., at this stage, talk page discussion) is the answer here, not AfD. In any event, the edit warring is unhealthy.
Looking through the edit summaries, some people opposed turning this into a redirect because they believe that there is potential for real-world content. What kind of sources were in mind? Given the current lack of such sources, I'm in agreement with those who want to keep this redirected. — TKD::Talk 08:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm in favor of keeping the page. The article could use more real world context, but I see no reason to remove all this content. "The Battle of Yavin" is a significant concept from an exceptionally notable fictional work. Ichormosquito 18:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
article is without references or footnotes - deleteTttom1 02:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge to Battles in the Star Wars film saga?

An editor at Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars made this suggestion, which I think sounds like a good compromise. We could consolidate 7 or 8 articles this way. Ichormosquito 12:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, if no one comes up with any short term solutions in a week, I'll be all for reducing the article to a redirect. The ideas that have so far been pitched around at Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars might take a while to execute. Ichormosquito 17:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)