Talk:Battle of Sekigahara

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[edit] Date of the battle

The introduction says October 21st while the right-hand side column says September 15th... Which one is correct, it can'tbe both!

[edit] During the battle

Uh, does anyone know what actually happened DURING the battle?

Good point. Will try to get right to that. --Euniana/Talk/Blog 15:56, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Okay, now I've added enough (hopefully) info. --Euniana/Talk/Blog 19:10, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

This page may require two maps at least: 1) one deployment map, listing where all the forces were during the battle, preferably in English; perhaps a translation of the map from the Japanese Wikipedia 2) one map of Japan prior to the Battle of Sekigahara listing which daimyo were on whose side, preferablly in English

In addition, a third map listing the changes in various daimyo's territories might help this article a lot, but is probably not necessary.

I didn't put it on map request since this isn't terribly urgent.

--Euniana/Talk/Blog 19:10, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Musashi on the battlefield

Historians are still baffled at the precise location where(exact province)and what year he was born. It is pretty misleading to say he was sixteen years old at the time of the battle. Historians merely claim he was there as Mushashi himself divulged this bit of information in his books (Go rin no sho:the book of five rings)

[edit] Muskets at the Battle

"Almost 20,000 muskets were used in total in this battle alone. This was more than the entire inventory of muskets in the whole of Europe at the time."

An IP user added the above item, which I find extremely hard to believe. The Wars of Religion, as well as exploration and colonization of the world, were in high swing at this time, and 20,000 is ultimately not that large a number if you're going to include every European nation. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if several hundred muskets were present at the battle of Gravelines alone. I have removed the suspect "fact"; if anyone has a citation or reference to back it up, I'd appreciate it. LordAmeth 12:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

PS, yes I know this isn't my article. I hope it's not too uncouth to be taking charge like this. LordAmeth 12:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of deaths

The liner to the Criterion Collection's 'Musashi Miyamoto' notes that 70,000 people died in the 3 day conflagration. Is this accurate? Jack 22:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inahime?

I have read in a few places that Inahime took part in this battle, using her bow and arrow to repel invaders from Numata Castle. I was wondering whether there are any sources that can verify this? ~ Unfortunate

[edit] "September" versus "Ninth Month"

I think it is more accurate to replace September 15th with a phrase like "the 15th day of the 9th month" because the use of the word "September" is anachronistic. "September" is a month in the Western solar calendar. Perhaps a better option is to use the Japanese name for the lunar 9th month, Nagatsuki (長月).Monsieurtode 08:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Although I don't know if the battle took place on the 15th day of the 9th month. Remember, if they weren't using the Western calendar, then their New Year's would not line up with ours. I believe that the authors of our source material (references) have already converted the lunar date into corresponding with Sept 15. In other words, I don't know what the date would have been in the lunar calendar, but I believe it would have happened concurrently to events in Europe on Sept 15 of that year. I could be wrong, but that's what I think is the case with most if not all of the dates in our Japanese history articles. LordAmeth 11:51, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MilHist Assessment

The Battle of Sekigahara is of very high importance. I don't think I need to explain that further. As for the B class, well, I went with what was already assessed for WP:Japan. This article looks great, and I love that we have a picture, and a list of combatants. But we need more. A lot more. There are no maps, and no detailed description of the strategies and tactics. Entire books have been written on this. LordAmeth 15:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a map and a picture --AQu01rius 02:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Still could be longer. And there's no references! LordAmeth 20:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I have assessed this article as Start class due to the complete lack of referencing. There are no inline citations to back up claims. The article needs several authoritative references, such as books added. These can then be cited in the passage. See WP:CITE. Until these are added it has to be B-Class. Any questions can be left on my talk page or the WP:milhist talk page. Woodym555 18:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sekigahara, Gifu

There is an article on Sekigahara, Gifu, but "Sekigahara" redirects here. Perhaps there should be a disambiguation link or a link to the Sekigahara, Gifu article somewhere near the top? 71.34.236.14 (talk) 23:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)