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How about three revert rule about Nareklm and roob323. They can revert the site how many times then want? This site needs to be protected. Moreover I have a doubt that Nareklm is using other sign in options as well under the name chaldean to keep reverting the same article many times.

I only reverted 1 time you reverted almost 5 times. Nareklm 00:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess you don't even know your counting numbers go the the articles history page and count how many times me and Narek reverted, than come here and cry about who can revert how many times. By the way thers a comment in your talk page. I'm not done with you. You just got into a mig mess by writing stuff like that in my talk page. ROOB323 00:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

This is the armeniapedia version about the battle

In violation of the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty with soviet Russia, Turkish troops crossed the border in 1918 and attacked Alexandropol (Leninakan). The aggressor intended to crush Eastern Armenia and seize Transccaucasia. When Alexandropol fell, the Turkish Army poured into the Ararat Valley – the heart of Armenia. There was a major engagement at Sardarabad on May 22-26, where the Turkish Army was defeated and retreated. --armenianNY 00:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

First of all I do not know how to revert. I just make changes. Second as I am trying to put this version, a very good guy, named roob323 reverts to an older Turkish version of the site. Moreover, now it sounds even ridiculous.The same thing they wrote twice. Just by cutting and pasting from the history of the article. These kids who never went to school in Armenia, whose knowledge about Armenian history comes from church sunday schools write things that can couse laugh even in Turkish readers. For example, in early May recently becamed independent Armenia was attacked by Ottoman forces ( Armenia Georgia and Azerbaijan decalred their independence only in the end of May). Or, after losing the battle of Sardarapat, Armenia declared its independence (second time as a matter of fact). But we all know that the second time Armenia declared its Sovetization (occupation by bolsheviks) on November 29,1920 and not independence. It is very well known that the commander in the battle of Sardarapat was Daniel Bek Pirumov from the village of Nakhichevanik in Nagorno Karabakh. SO fat these 2 imbeciles named Nareklm and roob keep pushing the name Slkuni or Silician. And finall,y who needs the aftermath of the battle in Sardarapat if it concludes information about what Georgia did, who it asked for help etc etc etc. I am surprized to find out from the article edited by roob and narek that Turkish army occupied the whole Armenia(including Russian part which is todays Armenia). Probably Nagorno Karabakh or Zangezur or Sevan they do not consider a part of Armenia anymore. Moreover, in the history of this article also edited by some turks and Narek you can find out that Armenia was forced to sign treaty of Batumi!!!!!You can see how come 3 not literate (angraget in Armenian) imbeciles can come and do things in wikipedia that Turkish and Azeri propagandists could not even see in their dreams. Because these 3 imbeciles have got a right to revert edit or even block others, the real Armenian history specialists can get heart attacks if they read this article. Does anybody watch in Armenia what is going on here?

That's really good for you! but guess what no one cares you want to school all those years they mean nothing here, with out references there meaningless. Nareklm 00:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

ArmenianNY whats your e-mail? ROOB323 00:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, ArmenianNY, there is a citation source here where one can find out that the first Republic of Armenia had been never called Democratic Republic of Armenia. I do not know how come they cited the source, in the meantime wrote here completely contradicting information about the first republic of Armenia.Berberov

[edit] Where are the sources?

This article doesn't cite any sources. I have searched for an objective source, but there was hardly any info available and they were all from Armenian websites.. Now considering that Atatürk couldn't have possibly managed an army in 1918 (although he fighted in Caucasia, there is no evidence about this battle), I am thinking that this might be an Armenian propaganda. I might be mistaken, but it would be very good if someone cited sources. --User:Wormtail 18:36, 06 February 2006

I'm with Wormtail. If this was a victory, why is it that the Ottoman army has captured every bit of Ottoman Armenia in less than two months? Some victory, more like a temporary holding action which collapsed due to Ottoman success elsewhere on the front. The Armenian republic was entirely conquered by the Ottomans, early in 1918, this is an historical fact. It is also a fact that the Army of Islam marched right through this area and on into Russian Armenia in the summer of 1918. user:cglassey.

[edit] Article in terrible condition

Article needs to be improved. And please neutral sources, not armenianow.com.--Doktor Gonzo 16:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC) Can you be a little more specific, Doctor Gonzo, which part of this article is from armenianow.com?Berberov