Talk:Battle of Poitiers (1356)

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Contents 1 Add external link section? 2 Contents Box 3 Welsh Bowmen? 4 Even Contest? 5 WikiProject class rating 6 Numbers of men

[edit] Add external link section?

I found this article that examines primary sources to determine more exactly the role of the Duke of Orleans at the Battle of Poitiers:

What does everyone think about adding it as an external link to this page? 204.126.127.253 17:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure no need to ask, if theres an objection someone would say somthing after its added and discuss it then. Looks like a fine link. Stbalbach 15:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

That looks like a superb external link. It is well-balanced, well-argued, and well-sourced. No arguments. Bastin8 22:24, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Discussion of the link that was replaced is ongoing at this page. TheJabberwock 22:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contents Box

Why is the contents box at the very bottom of the page, with very little to actually sort? --Stretch 09:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was there previously because there were no sections above it. I have added sections (Preparation, The Battle, and so on) and now the Contents box is where you would ordinarily expect it. Mmccalpin 14:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh Bowmen?

It is a popular misconception that English Longbowmen were predominantly Welsh, and thus innaccurate to continually refer to them as such here. Although Wales armed a high than normal proportion of their warriors with the long bows, their population was never particularly high, and therefor never made up even the majority of longbow archers on the feild for England.

I would also question calling the French King John II... I'm it normally historically accurate to anglicise his name? Shouldn't it be Jean II?Easter rising 16:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I have found sources that refer to the longbowmen as English, others as Welsh, and still others as both English and Welsh. I have not found a source that breaks out the proprtion of each, so in the absence of a definitive source, I am going to include "Welsh and English" where the archers nationality is called out. It is almost certainly true that some ratio of both were present. Mmccalpin 03:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The Welsh were often employed as longbowmen mercenaries. Reasons vary - for one, if you were captured in battle you were likely killed and not ransomed, knights generally did not like longbowmen very much. Same with crossbows. -- Stbalbach 15:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Even Contest?

One of my favourite historians, Arthur Bryant states in his book, "The Age of Chivalry" (1963) the English/Gascons were outnumbered by about five to one. How does this stack up against this article which puts the numbers on each side as being about even? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.12.252.11 (talk) 00:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

The previous figures in the article seem to have been wrong. Every source I've found gives very different figures, which is why I just changed them on the article. Rpeh 09:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, now there are figures for the English (with a reference), but what's with the French estimate? It just seems like it was arbitrarily thought up. I mean, "up to 35,000"? The lack of a reference doesn't help either. At least we could have a range of the various estimates, with references pointing to them (See: Fall of Constantinople). I would do it, I have neither the time nor the skill to sufficiently deal with this problem. Sorry for griping, but things like this don't make Wikipedia any more verifiable. 74.32.229.23 (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah - my original, referenced, figures had been changed with no explanation. I just changed them back. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 23:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 02:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers of men

After leaving 20.000 men behind the french would still outnumber the english 2:1 how can the army's then be "supprisingly simmilair in size" ? just wondering —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burds (talk • contribs) 10:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)