Talk:Battle of Oriskany

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[edit] Article Notes

[Most of my points listed in this original comment have since been addressed and/or fixed in the article.]

I do not endorse or substantiate the following points. I am merely noting some possible issues that may later be questioned in the history of this article:

  • Some American historians argue that Oriskany was, circuitously, a strategic victory for the colonial cause due to its ultimate effect on the Saratoga campaign. The collapse of Barry St. Leger's "third prong" has been deemed the other turning point of the Revolutionary War; hence, some believe this engagement facilitated Cornwallis' surrender at Saratoga.
Cornwallis' surrender at yorktown or Burgoyne's at saratoga?84.229.192.97 (talk) 11:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • There is conflicting information regarding the overall casualties of the Battle of Oriskany. Based on various historical websites, the casualties listed in the info box of this article are perhaps somewhat lacking.

Again, I do not put forward any of these points as arguments of my own. Just noting them. -- Flask, 11:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


The link to the Royal Green Jackets is wrong. It says they were started it 1966. Maybe someone (more knowledgeable than myself about the matter) should correct this. -- Cdogsimmons, 03:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
The Royal Green Jackets was a regiment of the British Army descended from the rifle regiments raised during the Napoleonic Wars. It did not exist in 1777. The Regiment in question was the King's Royal Regiment of New York, a loyalist provincial regiment in service of the Crown during the Revolutionary War. It has sometimes been called, "the Royal Greens" or "Johnson's Greens," but the correct appellations were "the King's Royal Yorkers" or the "Royal Yorkers."
I made a few corrections to the Oriskany narrative to reflect current scholarship, and particularly Gavin K. Watt's Rebellion in the Mohawk Valley: The St. Leger Expedition of 1777, Toronto: Dundurn, 2002. This is the definitive work on the subject. -- User:rbgstewart 09:21 EST, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The original article stated that the Indians decided to leave both because of the attack on their camp and because of their loses at the Battle of Oriskany. This is false. The Indians did not leave until reports of an other relief force was received. In fact, after the Battle of Oriskany the Indians wished to continue fighting by attacking German Flatts, but St. Leger said no. BradMajors 17:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion in outcome

in the result box on the right, it says "american pyrric victory" but in the introdution, "It was a clear victory for the loyalists over the rebels" -will someone please clarify?

also, there are discrepencies about the losses, for example [1] and [2] state that they are equal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.229.192.97 (talk) 11:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oriskany Creek

There are repeated references to the Oriskany Creek in the article. The battle did not take place on the Oriskany Creek, which is located 2 or 3 miles east of the battlefield, and is significantly larger than the creek at the battlefield. At its mouth, Oriskany Creek is probably 50 feet wide, whereas the battlefield creek is, as mentioned in the article, just a few feet across.

I have no idea what the official name of the actual creek is, if it has one. I grew up in Oriskany, and we always just referred to it as Bloody Creek. It is not named on USGS topo maps.

Google Maps view The battlefield is labelled along Rt 69, whereas Oriskany Creek flows through the village of Oriskany, SE of the battlefield. The battlefield creek is so small it doesn't even show up on Google's Terrain view. Colden46 (talk) 03:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

After posting my previous comment about the Oriskany Creek, I looked at the footnotes for the article. The entire page outside of the introduction is a word-for-word duplicate of the one online footnote: http://www.myrevolutionarywar.com/battles/770806.htm Colden46 (talk) 04:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oriskany creek references should be removed

The battle was not fought anywhere near Oriskany creek, and thus the references should be removed. The creek in question is little more then a stream which originates in nateral springs in what is now Whitesboro NY, and now empties into the barge canal. Prior to the canal being built, it emptied into the Erie canal, and prior to that,the Mohawk river. It is called "Blood Creek" by the locals, and according to the Oneida County historical society, it has no "official" name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.5.25 (talk) 20:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)