Talk:Battle of Leipzig

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[edit] Numbers for the battle

The numbers for this battle were placed at 220,000 for the French and 350,000 for the Coalition previously. However, according the Stephen Pope's Dictionary of the Napoleonic Wars the armies nubmered thus:

COALITION: Schwarzenberg - 230,000 Blücher - 54,000 Plus Bernadotte and Bennigsen with 150,000 reinforcements between them (arriving on second day of battle). TOTAL: 434,000 Allied troops (probably slightly lower, given that Bernadotte and Bennigsen probably didn't have quite the full 150,000 - but certainly not lower than 425,000).

FRENCH: Napoleon: 177,000 Plus Sebastiani with 14,000 reinforcements arriving on he second day of battle. TOTAL: 191,000 French troops

Where the extra 29,000 French troops that were previously mentioned in the battle box came from I do not know. Nor do I know where over 80,000 Allied troops went missing from the lineup. I have rectified the figures accordingly.

[edit] Second Battle of Leipzig

Shouldn't there be a note that the Battle of Breitenfeld (1642) is sometimes called the 'First Battle of Leipzig'?

I would think so, sir.--Anglius 19:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barclay de Tolly

I would also think that General-in-Chief Barclay de Tolly, the Russian commander, would be mentioned.--Anglius 19:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Liberation???

As people enjoyed more liberties and rights under Napoleon than they did under the Prussian, Austrian or Russian aristocracies, how can anyone consider Europe east of the Rhine as being 'liberated'??

Says who? In which cases? - The people in "Matrix" have also been happy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.56.0.113 (talk) 11:33, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Expansion

Given that in many ways this battle was at least as important as Waterloo I have decided to start expanding it. I would sure like some help its a fairly massive job. Tirronan 00:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French Generals

Even thourh there is lack of historical documents, especially battle maps, on the Battle maps it shows Marshals Ney, MacDonald, and Murat as being important commanders during the Battle. Kommisar Yan 16:39, 3 March 2007

I believe the article does as well Tirronan 23:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Russian flag

Instead of the white-blue-red Russian flag, shouldn't either the Russian imperial flag (horizontal black-gold-white) or the green Russian army flag be used in the overview box? Uly 03:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] order of allies in the box

...while many russian soldiers reached the battlefield when the battle was already decided. The numbers don't say anything about the influence in it. As it is now it suggest the reader that it was a battle fought mainly between french and russians. But this is just not true. Forget the website stated below, (with the numbers of soldiers each nation provided for the battle). It is just wrong. This page does not say anything about the 36.000 Poles in the ranks of the russian contingent but declares them as "russians".--88.74.45.127 16:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

  • 1. you are an unregistered IP address.
  • 2. I wrote much of this article and I am not anti-prussian by any means.
  • 3. You need to put what you want changed with citation of source before this would be considered.

4. Register an account and make your case do not just change things. Tirronan 20:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, because my english is not good enough I am not going to work here. I have an account in the german wiki. I did this revert because the user who changed this first is also activ in the german wiki. He is well known as an russian-nationalist, and he did this change in the german article, too. I gave him an fundamental answer, with sources and facts, why he was wrong. Hava a look in the german version please. There hes is called "Voevoda". That is the reason why I wanted to change it here to. It is only the remains of sovjet propaganda as it was teached in the ex-sovjet and ex-GDR educationssytem (like the imperialisttheory as justification for the "anti-Fascist protective barrier" in Berlin. Do you want me to write the german sources here?? I think its useless for you, or?--88.72.254.161 20:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC) What are your sources? where do you got the idea that the russian contingent was so dominant in this battle that it has to stay on top?

An info box is a silly thing to get into a revert war on. The Prussian contribution is all over the main article and I know because I wrote 95% of it. Blucher lead the Northern forces for instance. I know about York's contributions. I am an American and I don't have a national axe to grind. In fact I wrote most of the Prussian sections in the English Battle of Waterloo and took a great deal of heat for it. Anything I write will be cited and I stick to what unit moved where and what it accomplished. Now please if you edit in here do so with an English account. I appologise if you didn't understand but we get about 100 IP edits and most of it is out and out vandalism by kids. I am going to revert this until I get a handle on what was done by whom and why. This is history and not national honor, what happened happened and that is it. Prussia had much to do with the Battle of Nations, so did every nation mentioned. Tirronan 00:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

thank you! no more to say.--88.72.196.216 07:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

(By the way, the flags of Saxony and Prussia in the box are wrong. Both were used later. (Saxony had yellow-black colors at this time and before, Prussia a black eagle on white ground until 1896? I guess--88.74.60.183 09:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll change them to the correct colors later on when the all this has calmed down. Tirronan 17:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag Box Reverts

This is a formal request that all parties cease reordering the flag box. Please bring your issues here for discussion and resolution. Please to not revert on reorder the flag box before coming to a resolution here. Any more of this and I will be talking to the admins about losing editing rights Tirronan 18:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)