Talk:Battle of Dybbøl

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Contents 1 Query about Dybbøl Mill 2 Machine translation of Danish Wikipedia 3 Danish Translation 4 German translation

[edit] Query about Dybbøl Mill

"The field of Dybbøl was formerly the home of national symbols of both warring sides; the Danish Dybbøl Mill and the German Düppeldenkmal." I was under the impression that Dybbøl Mill was still there. This sentence gives the impression that it is not. Can someone verify this? I was actually at Dybbøl 10 or 15 years ago and saw something that was called Dybbøl Mill, but whether it was the Dybbøl Mill of battle fame I do not know. It could have been a reconstruction, I suppose. Lynne Jorgensen 00:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Dybbøl Mølle (Dybbøl Mill) is still there. The German Düppeldenkmal was blown up in 1945. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 00:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Btw, the Mill is the original one. It took a heavy beating in 1864, but it was rebuilt shortly after and was seen as a Danish national symbol both before and after the region was reunited with Denmark in 1920. Rather fittingly since the miller was known to be pro-Danish. It is still so much of a national symbol that it created a small outcry a few years ago when somebody suggested that the German Bundeswehr be allowed to participate in a memorial service there. The situation ended with the Danish Army placing wreaths on the tombs on the actual anniversary of the 1864 battle, and the Germans doing the same the following day. A motorway is currently under construction between Tinglev and Als but the politicians have chosen a line that doesn't cross the old battlefield. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 01:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Machine translation of Danish Wikipedia

The fights near Dybbøl were from April- 7. April 18.

During the 2. War of Schleswig. The position near Dybbøl was a flank position. From here the army could disturb an enemy's supply lines up in Jutland as well as bind great forces in front of the position. Als and Sønderborg could with navy support be used about concentration- and supply area.

1864

In 1862-63 Danish engineerses built Dybbølstillingen's 10 entrenchments in a semi-circle from Vemmingbund to Alssund. The entrenchments were because of savings performed with tree log cabins as an air-raid shelter for the crew instead of concrete. That later cost a lot of life. The Only ammunition chambers were performed in concrete.

On February 7. 1864 20.000 men, 500 riders, 80 field guns and 1.100 fortress artillerymans arrived in Dybbøl from Danevirke. Prussian outposts arrived on February 8.. About on February 20. the Prussians had 20.000 men, 1.200 riders and 88 guns in front of the position. On February 22. the outpost was forced back. On March 28. the Prussians tried a storm on the position. An-area was refused in connection with the capable use of army and navy (the armour-plated warship Rolf Krake). On April 2. Sønderborg was put out in fire. The Prussians arranged batteries, the most dangerous ones in the position's flank on Broager-halvøen.

From ones April 7. started the decisive artillery fight, where the position was put out to storm. This fight lasted till April 18., where the Prussians in four hours shot 7.900 grenades against the position. The entrenchments were reduced to gravel and grass heaps, by few acting guns.

The storm it 18 April

10.000 Prussian soldiers fell at 10 on the entrenchments, they defended of 2.200 men as well as a reserve on 7.000 men. The southern flank was quickly scratched up, and only in connection with 8. brigade's counterattack up to Dybbøl Mølle the north-flank avoided capture. The Danish losses were 391 falls and 664 missed, of which the main part was fallen private soldiers, 1.250 hurted and about 2.500 fell in captivity.

The government had of political reasons decided that the position was to be held as long as possible. The supreme command had of military reasons adjusted for the government that it ought to give permission to run away. That was what refused the government to meet. Anthony Appleyard 23:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Danish Translation

Most danes know this battle as "Slaget ved Dybbølmølle" (The battle at Dybbøl mill). Why is the alternative translation used? carewolf 17:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The expression is probably from Rønnebech [1] or the Danish Wikipedia, but I doubt the first part of your statement. I've never heard references to Dybbøl Mølle in that context. Only to "Slaget ved Dybbøl / Kampene ved Dybbøl / Nederlaget ved Dybbøl" Valentinian ^{T / C} 00:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German translation

• Is "Düppeler Schanzen" correct as a German translation? Schanzen means "redoubts", "bulwarks", and not "battle". Try 'die Schlacht von der Düppeler Schanzen? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)