Talk:Battle of Clontarf

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The link to Sigurd seems to be to the legendary figure from the Volsunga safa and other Northern European mythology. The article seems to be referring to a historical figure. Should the link be nixed? Or is this a legendary exploit of Sigurd that I've missed out on?

It's Sigurd Lodvesson. Don't have time to write a stub now Fornadan (t) 17:08, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sigurd Hlodvirsson, link is fixed no:brukerdiskusjon:finnrind

the article doesn't cite its sources; is this all from Njál's saga? Also, do we really need the fictioncruft? dab (ᛏ) 07:55, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

One of the most significant things about the Battle of Clontarf is that it's known from both Irish and Norse sources. I'll have a go at tracking down the sources. --Nicknack009 15:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well... at least two fiction appearances... and I hope we'll get more. That battle made a huge mark in both Irish and Norse psyche, and thence in the collective subconscious of the Englisdh speaking world, I'd bet bigger than even Hastings... yep, we need the cruft, the same we need the cultural heritage and trivia section in the Brian Boru article --Svartalf 22:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Good Friday 2 musical reference 3 Historically correct?? 4 Sources 5 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Good Friday

Is it relevant that this took place on Good Friday? Is that even necessarily accurate? Were the Irish even Christian at this time? The Vikings certainly weren't. LordAmeth 12:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's relevant - it's an important part of the Irish accounts of the battle. And of course the Irish were Christian in the 11th century. --Nicknack009 15:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, the Irish had been christian since the 5th century, all irish accounts of the battle mention that it was on Good Friday -- Paul

[edit] musical reference

Hi ,Look i have linked the album of the same name by an irish metal band ,Mael Mordha due to the multiple references of the work , should it actually warrent its own section ==music== or should it go in references ? or are their any purists who want this deleted --preachan

[edit] Historically correct??

IMO this article is seem to depend to heavily on the accounts in Njal's saga and other later popular accounts. If anybody wants to make some contributions based on other sources, I recommend

• Downham, Clare: The Battle of Clontarf in Irish History and Legend, History Ireland 13.5 (September/October 2005) 19-23, (University of Aberdeen)[1]

This was a key article for me when I recently wrote an article on Clontarf for no:wiki With a quotation referred in Downhams article:

Clontarf was too important to be left to the historians, so passed into the legendmaker’s hand (Gwyn Jones, A History of the Vikings, London 1973, p. 396).

Finnrind 00:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

It is good that we have moved on from the old story about Boru "expelling the Vikings" from Ireland, but this article seems to rely far too heavily on the medieval romances Cogadh Gaedhel Re Gallaibh and Njal's Saga. The only contemporary sources, the monastic annals, do not support the claim that the power of the 'Vikings' [sic] was broken after 1014. On the contrary, the Scandinavian communities seem to have been thriving (under various Norse and Gaelic overlords) until the Norman invasion of 1169, and even beyond. 80.165.177.93 11:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Billy 80.165.177.93 11:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

or even were very powerful in a national context, more like small city states often subject to Gaelic regional powers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.218.218 (talk) 04:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC) 

[edit] WikiProject class rating

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