Talk:Battle of Benburb

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[edit] British

"linked up with an army of [[British]] settlers based " Does this mean English? Rich Farmbrough 20:48, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Richard, no I think British is more appropriate here because most of the settlers were actually Scottish, but some of them were English and to distinguish themselves from the Irish, they often called themselves collectively as British Protestants even at this date. Jdorney

Thanks for that, I wonder if there is a better place to link to than British? Rich Farmbrough 20:47, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Its an interesting point. James I united the three kingdoms in one monarchy in 1603, but did not found a British state as such. However, his propagandists did write a lot about the new "British empire" in the early 17th century. Ireland might have been one of the only places where people actually called themselves "British" at this date. Maybe the American colonies were another? Possibly the link should go to some history of the Ulster Protestant people, but the only such link that I'm aware of is about the Scotch Irish or Ulster Scots - which indicates only the Scottish settlers. Jdorney

We didn't see ourselves as "British" though the settlers would have I suppose. Peter O'Connell

I noticed this and wonder(ed) if the word "British" was in common use then? I'd thought that it didn't come into general use until after the Act of Union in 1707. I don't think that Shakespeare, for example used it? Perhaps in the context of this article, the word "British" should be replaced by "Scottish and English"? Millbanks (talk) 21:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)