Talk:Battle of Bassorah

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Contents 1 There are very few references 2 Can some one help me merge! 3 Probable Copyright Violation 4 Please check refrences

[edit] There are very few references

Where did this inforamtion come from? Bless sins 03:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC) This appears to be more of a story than historical fact.

This historical account seems inconsistent with some of the books I have read on the subject IHusain 18:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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I agree and it has a fairytale prose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.211.36.107 (talk) 17:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can some one help me merge!

I want to merge this page with The battle of Jamal since they are the same battles. But i don't really know how to merge.

[edit] Probable Copyright Violation

Where did this come from? The use of the word louring is archaic and leads me to believe that the source isn't appropriate.

[edit] Please check refrences

Please check the refrences on this article. please check and see the role of "Abdullah ibn Sabaa" and please differentiate between the sunni account of the battle, and the motivation behind the march on Kufa, and the Shai account of the events. thank u

___________________________________________________________________________________ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.211.36.107 (talk) 17:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Abdullah ibn Sabaa myth was actually started by Sayf ibn Umar at-Tamimi (a narrator) in at-Tabari and is abandoned as a weak narrator by the majority of the scholars of Ahle-Sunnah. Shi'as also regard him as a fabricator.

Secularist Muslim View In recent years some of the Sunni historians have questioned the existence of Abdullah Ibn Saba. Taha Husayn, a well-known secularist Egyptian writer has written that:

"The fact that the historians make no mention of Ibn al-Sawda' i.e., 'Abdullah ibn Saba' being present at the battle of Siffin together with his followers proves at the very least that the whole notion of a group of people led by him is a baseless fabrication. It is one of those inventions that acquired currency when the conflict between the Shi'is and other Islamic groups intensified. In order to underline their hostility, the enemies of the Shi'ah tried to insert a Jewish element into the origins of their sect. If the story of 'Abdullah ibn Saba' had any basis in historical fact, his cunning and guile could not have failed to show itself at the battle of Siffin. "I can think of only one reason for his name not occurring in connection with that battle: that he was an entirely fictitious person, dreamed up by the enemies of the Shi'ah in order to vilify them." [book al-Fitnat al-Kubra, Vol. II, p.90]Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Ibn_Saba"—Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.211.36.107 (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)