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[edit] Removed

I removed part of this paragraph;

"The students are also given a time limit. If twenty-four hours pass without someone killing someone, then all of the collars will be detonated simultaneously and there will be no winner (in the movie, the students have 3 days or the collars will go off). It is later mentioned by Shogo Kawada that only 0.5% of Programs end in this fashion (though this is mathematically impossible, as there have only been 49 battles to gather data from, and 0.5% implies "out of 200")".

In the novel, there are fifty class selected each year, 47 per year prior to 1950, which means that there have been approximately 2441 Program run-throughs since it's institution (making the assumption that Shiroiwa is the first class of 1997 to participate in the Program). A 0.5% chance of a "time out" would suggest that roughly 12 Programs have ended in this way. User: Satyriasis 25/09/06

Actually, it's fifty classes selected every two years. X911 03:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not. Satyriasis is right, at least according to pages 40 and 43 of the novel. Page 43 also tells that Shuya Nanahara saw Program announcements on TV at roughly every two years, which may be explained in various ways. Perhaps the program does not receive TV coverage in alternate years, for instance, or maybe the Kagawa Prefecture does not receive the broadcast half the time, or does so at times when Shuya is unlikely to be awake to watch it. Luis Dantas 06:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the novel, it says that the tv announcements of the winners are not national just local. If the program does randomly pick classes then Shuya will not see one every year if his prefecture is not picked every year. Every few years would make sense. 76.21.110.201 (talk) 00:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] US availability

Although I too have heard that BR is unavailable in the US (and Canada) due to the rights issues, that doesn't explain why Tower Records in Los Angeles and HMV Records in Edmonton both stocked the Directors Edition this past summer ... and neither chain carries bootlegs (or, grey area Hong Kong imports, either). Maybe there's a loophole somewhere? 23skidoo 02:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

What version do they have? As a regular on 2 of the main BR forums on the net, I know that there are several versions of this about (I live in the UK so can only speculate - its available freely here). Most likely it is the Korean version - that is what NetFlix commonly has. Is it that? There is nothing to stop shops importing this film by the way - it just won't get a general distribution any time soon. User:addyboy (but cant be bothered signing in) 23.08, 10 January 2006

I have yet to get my hands on a copy of the Director's Edition, however I did recently obtain a "grey area" Hong Kong import listed a Special Edition that contains both films. Only problem is there are no English subtitles but fortunately I'm quite familiar with the plot of the book so it's not too hard to follow the story, even with adjustments. Actually, not understanding the dialogue it actually seems to follow the books a lot more closely. 23skidoo 06:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

This would appear to be one of the many bootlegs of this film circulating. I see no reason why a shop in American could not import one of these, or a legitimate version of the film and sell it - there is nothing to stop them doing that, it is just that there never was a general distribution. Kudos to you if you find it though, I know several people who have seen it on retail. addy 13:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

It can be found quite easily if you know where to look...

I heard Tartan Films has legitimate versions for the U.S. WhisperToMe 15:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Battle Royale (novel, movie, and anime) are all perfectly legal in the United States. The lack of availability is actually a problem in distribution and publishing rights. American publishers hesitate to publish books with small reader bases, because overruns cost money. They charge extra costs because of this, which are prohibitively expensive for the copyright holder / publisher in Japan. Freedomlinux 22:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I suggest removing the pictures from the film and manga, as this article is about the novel. I could see the need for one or two, to illustrate the fact that the story has been adapted into other media, but one picture for every major character isn't needed. Monsieurxander 18:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

But the novel itself has no pictures whatsoever. Also, this article is ALSO about the BR franchise in general. WhisperToMe 02:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Again, since the split, this should no longer be true. Appropriate edits will be made. Monsieurxander 07:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The class picture needs some blank space to fit at all in 800x600 or lower resolutions. Unfortunately, it looks a bit weird in 1024x768 or higher. Even so, that is IMNSHO the lesser evil. Please try not to remove that blank space. Thanks! Luis Dantas 08:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Characters

Should mthe movies minor characters on the template have a single article e.g. List of Battle Royale minor characters? --SGCommand (talk • contribs) 14:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

  • No, because this has come up before. I think at present there is a single article on most of the students, which incorporates their role in all three media, and these three combined make justifiable articles in their own right. There was an AFD for the whole lot, and that was the decision. Can't be bothered looking for it just now though Addyboy 21:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I think all the minor characters should be put into one page. Not all of them meet the notability guidelines. Mrmoocow 20:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Connections to Nineteen Eighty-Four

Setting: Republic of East Asia Connection to 1984: EastAsia is one of the world superpowers in 1984

Similar dystopian government, use of doublethink, and opening quote to the novel is a George Orwell quote. Art is banned, the "Emperor" = "Big Brother", there are so many more, but I can't put them into words right now. I'll think of more later. Tinyboy21 21:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Translation

There a spanish translation of the book (no manga) Battle Royale? Please answer me soon, please

[edit] Spanish Traduction

I would like to know if novel Battle Royale has Spanish translation and if I have it would like to know as it is the publishing house that distributes it by the countries of Spanish speech —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.50.29.147 (talk) 16:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Battle royale novel map.JPG

Image:Battle royale novel map.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Infobox ambiguity

I was wondering how come the novel was released in Brazil and I didn't notice it, until I checked more closely and saw that the Infobox is actually giving information about the Brazilian version of the manga (as opposed to the novel). And yet there is no note to clarify that, and the illustration is indeed the novel's cover. I proppose that either three separate infoboxes should be offered, or at least the release information should be kept separate for the novel, movie and manga in order to avoid such confusion. I will proceed to correct the Brazilian information. Luis Dantas 06:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ISBNs

The English language novel published in 2003 is ISBN 156931778-x; the original, Japanese language novel Ota Shuppan published in 1999-2000 is ISBN 489392958-5. At least that is what the novel credits say. Luis Dantas 07:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No Escape

for the younglings who didn't watched them, Battle Royale is a ripoff of two hollywood movies Fortress (1993) and No Escape (1994) for what it worth it should be mentioned in the article. Cliché Online 21:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Judging by the descriptions there it doesn't sound like much of a ripoff to me. And If we're going that far based on similarities shouldn't we also point out every other reference it could be a possible ripoff of? Cube, for instance seems to follow similar themes to the two you mention, not to mention BR. And we can't forget good ol' Lord of the Flys and the various similar stories that've been written. There's hudnreds of examples of similarities. Can't just go saying everything that came before it and is similar must be a direct influence. It'd make the article unwieldy. Aratos 15:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

That, and what Cliché Online is mentioning is Wikipedia:Original research - a no-no on here. WhisperToMe 15:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why has cleared the photo the carried one of the book?

I do not understand why they have decided to clear the photo of the cover of the book. Request that please returns it to put. The readers of Wikipedia will not be able to see the cover and could be confused. So request that returns it to put.

I have been wondering why it was deemed necessary to remove the picture myself. I actually took a (frankly quite amateuristically distorted) picture of the book cover myself and tried to upload it to commons, and to my surprise it was pretty much immediately deleted. I have a _very_ hard time believing that such a picture actually infriges on someone's copyright. Luis Dantas 01:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Update: while commons did indeed reject my full photo, the thumbnail with eight Fair Use arguments (and, frankly, no power at all to hurt anyone's copyrights) seems to be ok. Hopefully it will last. Luis Dantas 12:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please, Spanish traduction

I request please that a translation to the Spanish becomes of the novel

Uh, shouldn't such a request be made either to the author of the novel or to some potential translator/publisher company? Luis Dantas 01:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate timeline

I read this book twice, and both times I got the impression that this took place in a fictional country, not an alternate timeline version of Japan. Maybe I just missed something, but is there a source to confirm this? Mad031683 20:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Really? I haven't read the novel recently but I have read it quite a bit number of times but I'm sure it has references to pre-World War II Japan. Also I'm really sure the manga has references to Japan as well. While they are different versions, I would think they end up having the same setting so perhaps you could assume (but not be 100% sure about) that they are in Japan. Akiratheoni 07:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seperate sections on collar and danger zone

Hey, I just did an edit on the plot description here. It felt too mixed up. It seemed almost stream-of-consciousness, switching between the background, the actual narrative, and details. So I tried to straighten it out, a bit which involved pulling the collars and danger zone into separate sections (which included expanded info on the name and detonation criteria of the collars, and also on the danger zone system) and also making subsections to divide the story's back-ground from the actual narrative (On the old version, it read like 50 clases did epic battle with each other!) I did all this in two stages so I could put in links, and irritatingly it got halfway reverted about a minute after I'd finished! If it's no good, I'd be okay with it being 100% reverted. No problem. But a half-way reversion means we actually lose info. I figure EagleStorm (the person who reverted it) missed the second stage of my update - hence his thinking the info was redundant. As such I've reverted the reversion. Not looking to start a war, just trying to protect the informativeness of the page.The Zig (talk) 11:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CHaracters - Should merge unless we can find real world development

I am looking through the Battle Royale manga to see what I can find regarding character development.

Aside from Shuya and a few others I may ask for a merge. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Please don't ask for a merge - this has come up numerous times before, and there have been numerous AFD's of one/some/all of the characters, and consensus has always been to keep them separate, but cover their film, novel and manga versions in each article. I can't be bothered looking for the archives for the AFD links, etc, but it's definitely happened. Caissa's DeathAngel (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Well, Wikipedia:Consensus can change - And also remember that AFD is not a vote. Standards on Wikipedia articles are being tightened everywhere. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
      • I didn't even imply AFD was a vote, I explicitly said consensus at the time said no merge. Frankly these articles are all a complete carcrash, and its time they were all totally rewritten. But I'd request time to do that, including finding sources, before merging or deleting anything.Caissa's DeathAngel (talk) 09:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Remove Film References?

Why are there references to and information about the film adaptation in this article? The film has its own article, so having that kind of stuff in this one just makes things confusing.71.215.19.31 (talk) 03:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Within the next 4 weeks I'm going to do a total tear down and rebuild of this article, and the film, and that sort of thing I'll be removing. Some references to the film are fair enough, though there's definitely no need to mention film exclusive characters for example. Bear with me, when I get the chance it will happen. All Battle Royale related articles have been nothing less than a disgrace for far too long now. Caissa's DeathAngel (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)