Talk:Batman: Mask of the Phantasm

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[edit] Continuity

Can someone explain how this film is in the Tim Burton continuity? It's not any more chronologically linked to Batman 1989 any more than Batman Begins is. And if this is, shouldn't all the other direct-to-video films be as well in this continuity? - guest.

Er, what? The article clearly says that this film is not in the Tim Burton continuity. --Paul A 04:38, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Smallville

Does anyone else think Andrea, the Angel of Vengeance from Smallville was based on Andrea Beaumont? Daibhid C 15:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danny Chase

I've removed this from the trivia section:

:*The name and general design of the Phantasm character eventually appeared in DC Comics canon as a disguise/alternate identity for the character Danny Chase, a member of the Teen Titans. The smaller-than-average, teenaged Chase, a telekinetic, donned a disguise to hide himself from individuals seeking to kidnap and possibly kill him. Using a hockey mask and lengths of cloth as a cloak and gloves, Chase made himself appear to be a disembodied, adult-sized entity called the Phantasm by concealing his smaller form within the cloak. By supporting himself and the costume telekinetically, the Phantasm appeared to move without legs, and the gloves floated in the approximate place of arms without any visible connection to the Phantasm's "body". Ultimately, Chase sacrificed his life to save others, but his soul and the souls of the otherdimensional world of Azarath merged to become a new Phantasm, a truly disembodied being with unspecified, quasi-mystical powers.

Danny first appeared as the Phantasm two years before the film was released, so if there's any connection it goes the other way. In any case, I'm not sure we need the whole story, just a link to Phantasm (comics) Daibhid C 22:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see this connection at all, but I think that a link to Batman: Year Two would be highly appropriate. In appearance and characterization, the Phantasm is very clearly modeled after the Reaper. A crucial difference is that in the movie the criminal turned out to be Bruce Wayne's love interest, while in the original comic it was her father. However, the movie obviously intended for the audience to suspect the father, going so far as to have both characters voiced by Stacy Keach. MatthewDaly (talk) 23:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opening Lyrics

I don't beleive the information given on the lyrics is correct. I've found this on several sites. It's a quote from an interview with Shirley Walker, the woman behind the music for the film and I think it is accurate.

"As you know, the music team is rushing to the finish line as a film is in its final dub phase. Even the known orchestrators are not always given the credit they so justly deserve for insuring the timely execution (so to speak) of the score. I've become tired of fighting for credits for the support team that helps pull me through the final throes of recording and mixing my scores.

The choir for Masks gave me the opportunity to rectify this terrible situation. I made a chart by number of syllables of every music persons name backwards to use in creating the language you hear. 'Oh Nahlim Mot!', the phrase the score begins with, is Tom Milano, the music editor of most of my features, whom I originally worked with doing the Flash TV series.

You get the idea. It was working so well, I realized that I would need to include some of the film producers and executives at Warner Bros. After all, they were paying for my little inside joke. People do like to be included in these sorts of things. I had to lie to the Warner Bros. legal department person who called to ask me what the language was and what was being said. They certainly didn't want to be a party to me saying "screw Warner Bros." in Danish. I told them it was an obscure nonsensical choral language that existed only in out of print orchestration books.

I think I actually spent more time on my plot than I did on the score during the week I was preparing the choral cues. It was quite fun to see the looks on peoples faces, as they realized what they were hearing. Only two people had deciphered the puzzle by the time we recorded the choir. It was very difficult for the singers to sing the strange words. I'm sure they would have had more fun doing it, had I been able to include them in the joke too.

While I was mixing the score, I had Bobby Fernandez (Zed-nahn-fur E-Bob) record the choir accappella onto a seperate DAT, ostensibly for my sample reel. The look on Tom's face as he began to suspect what I had done was well worth the whole deception. He finally turned to me and said "You didn't do what I think you've done, did you?".

The rest is history. Everyone on the music team has a tape of the singing of their names (we transfered to 1/4" tape and played it backwards; the old "back-masking" trick)."

[edit] Citations for use

Wildroot 23:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

This article is excellent with the exception of some prose issues. I'm putting the nomination on hold until these are fixed.

  1. "Both the Joker and Andrea eventually disappear" How do they disappear? What happens to the Joker?
  2. "The storyline becomes complicated when Valestra hires him to kill Batman, enforcing upon a series of events, including the death of Valestra done by The Joker." I just can't figure out what this means.
  3. "As the storyline continues, Bruce and Andrea are set for marriage, but Bruce is given a farewell note from Andrea ultimately ending the event. This eventually leads into Bruce's decision to become Batman. Richard Corliss of Time further addressed the situational irony, but referred to the scene whereas Andrea finds her father Carl dead by the hands of an assassin (later to become the Joker)." I also don't understand this. What irony, exactly?
  4. "The filmmakers felt it was a failed marketing campaign brought by Warner Brothers as to why the film was a disappointment." ???
  5. "Analysts found themes of the storyline with tragedy, flashbacks and consequences of decisions." This doesn't really tell us anything unique about the story.
I see what you mean. However, the lead section of a wikipedia article is suppose to "introduce" to the reader what he/she is about the read. That's why the themes are listed, because there's a section on the Themes of the storyline.Wildroot (talk) 21:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
That was the problem, though. This sentence doesn't introduce any themes, it just says that the movie has them, and that it has tragedy and flashbacks. Just about every movie has these things. I think it needs to be just a little more specific. Wrad (talk) 04:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Again, pretty small stuff. I'll keep an eye on this as it improves. Wrad (talk) 23:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I just did another quick copy edit. It should be good now. Great work! Wrad (talk) 21:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Appearance in Justice League Unlimited

In the episode Epilogue, an aged Andrea Beaumont AKA The Phantasm was assigned to murder Terry McGinnis' parents by Amanda Waller as a part of Project: Batman Beyond. This would thereby push McGinnis pyschologically to become The Batman. Beaumont refused, possibly remembering the murder of her father and Bruce's parents. McGinnis' father was later murdered and that was the catalyst needed to turn him into The Batman. Dxf289 (talk) 21:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

This has rarely anything to do with Mask of the Phantasm. That information would be better off in the Andrew Beaumont page.—Wildroot (talk) 15:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)