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[edit] Oracle

I've reverted the merge of Oracle to Batgirl. This was done with no consensus by an anon and breaks the mold established by characters alter egos, such as Robin and Spoiler, being kept seperate.Gateman1997 21:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barbara Gordon

We purposely keep them seperated out to make differentiating between the Batgirls easier.Gateman1997 22:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Separate page for Betty Kane?

I was wondering if the first Bat-Girl should have a separate page, since now all the other Batgirls do as well. It would also make links easier -- currently the Batwoman and Flamebird pages need to link using the awkward syntax of [[Batgirl#Betty Kane|Bat-Girl]].

But I figured I should ask first, since perhaps this idea has been debated and rejected in the past. - Lawrence King 04:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Spinning her off into her own 'main article' (as done with the other Batgirls) doesn't seem amiss, though I'd think she'd need a bit of a beefier article. As it stands, she'd be a stub. Why not make a Betty Kane to redirect to Batgirl for now, and then if you can make it a decent article, un-redirect later? -- Ipstenu 15:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Why does the "Betty Kane" page redirect here, when there is an entire article dedicated to Betty Kane at Flamebird?

This article has both her Bat-Girl and Flamebird history. Tigrahawk 04:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Recently, I split her off into Bette Kane and am in the process of correcting the redirects. Feel free to add or correct information. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yvonne Craig's costume

Hey everyone. I happened across this page kinda by accident and was reminded of an interview I read many years ago in Cinefantastique magazine regarding Ms. Craig's time as Batgirl. Supposedly, the nature of her costume made it impossible for her to sit down between takes, or else the entire thing would become bunched up and crumpled. Has anyone else out there heard this story? I will try to find the issue where the interview is printed, but I thought I would ask. I think that's a fairly neat little piece of trivia regarding that portrayl of the character. I don't know much about the character but this article is pretty informative. Thanks for listening. Ljacone

[edit] Small quibble over introduction word

I find myself wondering why the word 'classic' belongs in this sentence: "However, in the classic 1988 one shot The Killing Joke, The Joker shot her in the spine, leaving her paraplegic; she later reinvented herself as Oracle, the premiere information broker of the DC’s superhero community."

It seems a vague, possibly subjective, and at any rate unencyclopedic note to hit. Does anyone agree or disagree?

LaPrecieuse 02:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Fictional librarian category?

Do we want to add this category on this page? It is on the Barbara Gordon page now, and I know that the other characters to be Batgirl were not librarians, but I don't think it would be inappropriate here as well. Comments?

KConWiki 13:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Moving this to the bottom of the page ... No. If there's a shared page, and no spinoffs, then it would be appropriate, but in this case, it's more applicable on Babs' page alone. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Just had my addition of the category Fictional librarians removed and replaced with just the category Librarian which doesn't make sense. I.e., if not all Batgirls were librarians and it's not copacetic to add the fictional category, then the non-fictional category makes even less sense. In any case, I posit that since at least one incarnation of Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) is a librarian that the category makes sense for both articles. The point of categorization in this case is as an appropriate entry point to relevant articles. By NOT putting this article in the category wikipedia users browsing that category will see Barbara Gordon listed, but NOT Batgirl. That then requires them to already know that Barbara Gordon is Batgirl before they ever read that article. Similarly, since not all versions of Batgirl are sidekicks, THAT category should be removed for consistency. My point here is that you can have consistency (remove all categories that aren't universal to all incarnations of Batgirl - something I don't favor), or you can have utility (people looking for fictional librarians will find BOTH Batgirl and Barbara Gordon).
Besides, in library land, everyone knows Batgirl was a librarian. Comments? -- Quartermaster (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Yup, at least some stories, and the 1960s show, have Barbara Gordon employed as a librarian. But only that character, not the other 4 that branch off of this dab page. The cats for this article should be limited to those that apply to all 5 characters. That means that the following (based on current cats) are valid:
  • DC Comics superheroes
  • DC Comics titles
  • American comics characters
  • Fictional vigilantes
These should not be here since they are not shared across the board:
  • Comic book sidekicks (Misfit has not really been a sidekick)
  • DC Comics martial artists (Misfit, again)
  • Fictional detectives (Only covers Barbara, may cover Helena and Cass)
And just for clarity, the individual articles have:
  • Barbara
    • American comics characters
    • Comic book sidekicks
    • DC Comics superheroes
    • DC Comics martial artists
    • Fictional adoptees
    • Fictional Americans
    • Fictional characters with eidetic memory
    • Fictional characters with spinal disabilities
    • Fictional detectives
    • Fictional hackers
    • Fictional lawyers
    • Fictional librarians
    • Fictional orphans
    • Fictional politicians
    • Fictional technopaths
    • Fictional United States Representatives
    • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)
  • Bette
    • American comics characters
    • Fictional Americans
    • Child superheroes
    • Comic book sidekicks
    • DC Comics martial artists
    • DC Comics superheroes
    • Fictional characters from California
    • Fictional gymnasts
    • Fictional tennis players
    • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)
  • Helena
    • Catholic comic book characters
    • DC Comics superheroes
    • DC Comics martial artists
    • Fictional Italian-Americans (covers "American comics characters")
    • Fictional orphans
    • Fictional schoolteachers
    • Fictional vigilantes
    • Fictional child molestation victims
  • Cassandra
    • Asian superheroes
    • Comic book sidekicks
    • DC Comics martial artists
    • DC Comics superheroes
    • Fictional Asian Americans (covers "American comics characters")
    • Fictional assassins
    • Fictional Eurasians
    • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)
  • Misfit
    • American comics characters
    • DC Comics characters who can teleport
    • DC Comics characters with superhuman strength
    • DC Comics metahumans
    • DC Comics superheroes
    • DC Comics characters with accelerated healing
    • Fictional orphans
    • Fictional vigilantes (Should be added)
- J Greb (talk) 15:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I've gone ahead and deleted the erroneous categories from the article. -- Quartermaster (talk) 20:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SEPT 07- Proposed merger

Since Barbara Gordon is the only Batgirl to have been adapted into other media, I suggest having "Batgirl in other media" reduced to a single paragraph and redirect to Barbara_Gordon#Adaptations_into_other_Media Bookkeeperoftheoccult 05:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I can see having it compressed and adding the link. (And is there a {{main}} style link for a specific section?) But the section here may run slightly more than just 1 paragraph, no sub-heads though, definitely no sub-heads. - J Greb 06:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
PROPOSED REVISION:
Main article: Barbara Gordon

Barbara Gordon's incarnation as Batgirl has become one of DC Comic's most recognizable female superhero icons. To date, Gordon's version of Batgirl has been adapted into all media relating to the Batman franchise including merchandise, television, animation and feature film. Notable adaptations of Batgirl include:

  • Batman: The Barbara Gordon Batgirl appeared in the final season of the live-action Batman television series in 1967, the same year as her comic-book debut. In fact, she was created in cooperation with the show's producers, who wanted a female character who could be added to the show's regular cast.
  • Birds of Prey: The short-lived Birds of Prey television series (2002) featured a paralyzed Barbara Gordon (Dina Meyer) donning her Batgirl costume both in flashback sequences and in the present, thanks to a device that allows her to walk.
  • The Batman:A young Barbara Gordon assumed the role of Batgirl in the third season of The Batman, voiced by Danielle Judovits. In that series, Barbara was close friends with the teenaged eco-terrorist Pamela Isley, who became transformed into Poison Ivy in the same two-part special that introduced Batgirl.
  • Batman & Robin: The Barbara Gordon version of Batgirl was the inspiration for the character Barbara Wilson that was portrayed by actress Alicia Silverstone in the 1997 movie Batman & Robin. This Batgirl was similar in many ways to Barbara Gordon, but James Gordon's relatively small role in the films contributed to the differences. The film also provided her with her own transport in the form of the Batblade.
All other information would be deleted since it is all mentioned in Barbara Godrdon's article.Bookkeeperoftheoccult 08:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BARBARA GORDON'S ROLE IN BATMAN BEYOND

I really don't believe why is not mentioned the participation of Barbara Gordon in Batman Beyond. Please check the Batman Beyond article in Wikipedia, there she is mentioned. Don't you think is a discrepancy not to talk about that here too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.134.69.125 (talk) 17:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Barbara Gordon was not Batgirl in Batman Beyond. She was Police commissioner of Gotham City. Therefore her appearances in the series are not mentioned in this article which focuses on use of the Batgirl character. Her role in Batman Beyond should be mentioned in the Barbara Gordon article under the Animation subsection.Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 01:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barbra from Batman TAS.

In Batman the Animated Animated Series, didn't she die when the Scarecrow pushed her off a skyscraper? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 13:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The episode you're referring to is "Over the Edge" from The New Batman Adventures. The end of the episode reveals Barbara had been dreaming due to being gassed by the Scarecrow. She was never really killed. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA pass

At first I was taken aback by the odd organization of the article. It talks about everything from a historical perspective, rather than having an "origins" section and an "abilities" section and a "reception" section. But as I read it I realized it covers all of those things very well. Great job. Wrad (talk) 01:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)