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Is "coofitial" a word? Should that be "co-official"?

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[edit] Euskadiko Ezkerra

Was there an organization in the 1980s called (something like) "Euskadi co Eskerra"? I recall hearing that quite a few ETA cadres participated in it. Asked by elpincha 21:39, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Euskadiko Ezkerra.--Error 02:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
So: shouldn't this organization be added as an ancestor of sorts of Batasuna? elpincha 17:27, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
No they are separate and even kind of opposite: EE ended fusing itself (not without great division) with the PSOE, a Spanish nationalist party. --Sugaar 20:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PSOE attitude, Plan Ibarretxe

Is the PSOE actually involved in tracking down alleged Batasuna "fronts" as the article states? Prosecutors act by mandate of law, and the PP acts on its political principles.

Also, some comment on the Plan Ibarretxe may be in place. elpincha 12:57, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Restore Category:Political parties in Spain

I've restored the category Political parties in Spain, recently deleted. Though Batasuna is not currently legal in Spain, it's been a legal party for years. Removing Batasuna from this category implies losing information, like removing the Workers' Party of Marxist Unification, the Spanish Confederation of the Autonomous Right or any other of the other parties that have been part of Spanish history until ilegalised or disbanded. --Erri4a - Say what? 20:59, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe you should add the Category of political parties in France. They are legal there. --Sugaar 20:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] a joke?

what's this?

"names of Autodeterminaziorako Bilgunea (AuB, Meeting Place for Self-determination) and a plethora of local lists. Put your milk in my cocoa puffs, milky milky cocoa puffs. Most of these lists were considered a disguise for Batasuna by the Spanish Supreme Court. This "

[edit] US list

The U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations does not include explicitly Batasuna. I guess it is considered a part of ETA. --Error 02:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. I think they cautionarily avoid the issue before there is any judicial sentence, what is highly unlikely to happen. Batasuna is legal everywhere but in Spain. --Sugaar 20:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few questions

I need some info on Batasuna that's not in the article.

  • Has Batasuna ever supported ETA financially?
  • Does it have any policies on anything other than Basque separatism (ie. would it be able to govern a country)?
  • Did Batasuna take a case before the ECHR and if yes did the court uphold the ban?

St jimmy 08:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to "Herri"?

Just wondering why the common name for the article is Batasuna and not Herri Batasuna, as this was the party's name. I came up with some explanation along the lines of: "Herri Batasuna" is an outlawed political party, whereas Batasuna is a movement (I was asked on the Danish wiki), but if someone has a better reason, I'd love to hear it. --Jakob mark 09:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It was part of their internal political process: they debated along two proposals: Batasuna (Union) and Aralar (the name of a mountain). The first one won and the second broke apart forming a new party.
Herri Batasuna was not a party but a coalition, yet it had its own direct membership. As several parties vanished into HB, it became more and more a party and, with the self-dissolution of HASI, it was clear that it was THE party. Only EAE-ANV remains as separate party (but within Batasuna), for historical reasons mostly. --Sugaar 20:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it was in 1997: the spanish injustice jailed Herri Batasuna leaders, and a the new leaders (Otegi, Permach...) formed Euskal Herritarrok, in order to be able to present to 1998 Basque Parliament elections (results: 14 seats, the thir party in Araba, Bizkaia and Gipuzkoa). After all this, the party made an internal process, called "Batasuna Prozesua", to re-unite left-nationalist people, and Batasuna is the final result of that process.

[edit] Clarity needed

On the 26th the Spanish parliament voted for an indefinite ban, 295 to 10. 26th of what? --Descendall 17:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biased Article

This article is completely biased towards Batasuna. The general tone is of a Party Political Broadcast for Batasuna. However certainly biased statements include - 1. Both crimes had been ignored by spanish justice and the most important political parties, PSOE and PP. 2. The vote in the referendum was to keep Spain in NATO, but the majority of voters in the Basque Autonomous Community stood strongly against it. Herri Batasuna was not the only party asking for a no vote. In this no figures mentioned and no other parties listed, therefore raising Herri Batasunas profile

um, tell us more about the tone; where and how. And please add the other parties supporting a no vote. --Carwil 18:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Not just in the BAC but also in Navarre (and Canary Islands) NATO was rejected in 1986.
I'm not sure right now what attitude adopted PNV in the end, possibly they also asked for the "no". Other parties rejectibg NATO were: EA, EE and minor parties such as LKI, EMK, and Spanish Communists parties. CNT asked for abstention (like always) - I recall because Loquillo had to quit that union in order to make anti-NATO campaign. --Sugaar 03:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can someone write a section for Batasuna's main aims and objectives

Mark us street Nov24th 2006.

D.I.Y.:

Batasuna largely supports the Alternativa Democrática (Spanish Wikipedia). Here there's a source with translation that claims autorship by ETA, with English translation (and histrionic colors).

Anoeta Proposal (Batasuna's current platform), as per peace organization Elkarri (PDF version). In Spanish. --Sugaar 20:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A better source for ETA's proposal: Democratic Alternative (in English). --Sugaar 03:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut material

I am cutting these two separate pieces which seem inessential; I'm bringing them here for any additional comments someone may have

In 1986, the administration of Felipe González organised a referendum to keep Spain inside NATO. The Electoral law was to count only votes in Spanish, while votes in other languages would count as null and void. Herri Batasuna resented that rule, which it considered a ploy to prevent Basque nationalists from influencing the election, and called on its supporters to vote No in Spanish. When the Spanish administration changed the rules so as to count votes in the other languages of Spain as well, Herri Batasuna called for supporters to vote in Basque. The vote in the referendum was to keep Spain in NATO, but the majority of voters in the Basque Autonomous Community stood strongly against it. Herri Batasuna was not the only party asking for a no vote.

Am I the only one who doesn't get the point of this?

On 14 November 2004, during a mass meeting in San Sebastian the party leader Arnaldo Otegi asked for an end to the armed conflict in the region, which has been continuing for decades.

Similar calls to end the violence has been made repeatedly from all sides and this statement, without nuance and further explanation of the circumstances, doesn't really meant anything in the article.

Mountolive | Talk 05:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You

I think that you can use:

Image:Bandera batasuna.PNG

that is a free version because it's own reproduction of the real flag! Because you use an copyright flag.--KrlsCat 01:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elections 2000?

The official Spanish government results (well, the provincial results pages, anyhow) show Euskal Herritarok contesting the 2000 Spanish elections, but receiving 0 votes. Wtf happened there? According to this article the party was not illegal that year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lewis Trondheim (talk • contribs) 15:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)