User talk:Bastique/archive6

Contents 1 On Wikibreak 2 Consider vs. Claim 3 Macedonian language 4 WikiBerak. 5 193.170.53.9 6 Thank you Bastique 7 Danke Schön! 8 Personal info 9 Hi there 10 Juniper Hills 11 Thanks 12 Bob Parks 13 SVG maps 14 FAU debate 15 Re: Renaming Gaeltacht areas 16 Template:User Siamese owner 17 Malatya & Trabzon 18 David Scott 19 Wikimeetup 20 Highly intelligent != rational 21 Cupertino 22 Why Block 23 Your oppose 24 Template:User Siamese owner 25 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fairlawn, Florida 26 Tarot Cards 27 Wangi/RFA 28 Civility 29 Netscott 30 major arcana 31 3RR

[edit] On Wikibreak

See the notice above! Bastique▼^parler _voir 17:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consider vs. Claim

Hi Bastique. I saw your edit summary and thought this discussion may be of interest. [1]. Your edit is OK with me. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 22:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonian language

Hi, I'm not going to "rollback war" with you here, but if you could please avoid using your rollback button on non-instances of vandalism that would be good :) Thanks. And note that Footnotes are not deprecated and if you wish to change the citation style, please discuss it on the talk page. - FrancisTyers · 14:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiBerak.

Hello, Bastique. Congratulations for becoming administrator in last month. I wanted to apologize you for telling Conguratulation lately. Sorry for that. I'm just interested that you visited San Francisco. There is Golden Gates in San Francisco. I have never heard that Someone visits San Francisco for Wiki Break. So, Where did you visit during WikiBreak in San Francisco? When I was about 7 or 8 years old I visited San Francisco after I visited Los Angeles. It was great place as much as Europe. Did you visit the San Jose, when you traveled in San Francisco. Ahh, I also visited San Francisco from school for Trip by Science Class. Anyways, I hope you could reply on my talk page.

'''*Daniel*''' 03:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, It's in your homepage. Thanks. Hehe '''*Daniel*''' 03:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 193.170.53.9

[2] The vandalism might not have been obvious to the normal onlooker, but to the individual who ran the checkuser, found the sockuppetry, ran the portscan that came back positive, had to deal with his threatening emails, and knew the whole story, it was quite obvious exactly what was going on. Even if the IP wasn't blocked for being a proxy (which his malformed attempts and impersonating a system administrator have yet to convince me was not the case) it would have been blocked for abusive use by a sockpuppeteer. I'd greatly appreciate being consulted, either on my talk page, or via email, before unblocking; I don't randomly block IPs without cause, and I tend to know a lot more about what a given IP is doing than the average user. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 04:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you Bastique

It was a true supprise to have been banned for trolling, and I am sorry if it what I had to say was taken as such, I DO NOT ever want to lose my editing privileges ever again, it was horrible to me and painfull beyond words, I shall act in complete agreement with ALL wiki policy's from here on out! Yours in gratitude. Cathy (cathytreks 06:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Danke Schön!

Thank you for unblocking our IP address (193.170.53.9).

Love and peace from Vienna to the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.170.53.9 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 14 June 2006

[edit] Personal info

They are misusing personal information about me and by reposting it, you are also misusing this information. Don't do that again.--MONGO 17:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not repost that. Personnal information used in that way is a disruptive personal attack. Tom Harrison ^Talk 17:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The personal information lends a great deal on the subject matter at hand. Furthermore, since the admin in question is now the subject of an RFC, this action bears a great deal with respect to that. Bastique▼^parler _voir 17:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Posting it again will result in a block. Tom Harrison ^Talk 17:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

What does inventing policy and (exceptions thereto) as uncomfortable situations arise result in? I'll give you two guesses. — Jun. 25, '06 [17:19] <freak|talk>

What policy is being invented here? Misuse of personal information to either discredit someone or personally attack them is unacceptable.--MONGO 17:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

If the information was "MONGO works in office 111A at 2222 33rd street and his real name is Dexter" I'd agree with you, as such information could put you at risk. "MONGO works for the government" does not meet that threshhold. Bastique is not trying to discredit or personally attack MONGO. MONGO is removing yet-unanswered questions about the motives of MONGO's edits. — Jun. 25, '06 [17:49] <freak|talk>

Bastique comes along and reposts info that I removed, as it was, I repeat, an attempt to discredit or personally attack me. The stuff I removed has zero to do with the article, and had no business being there anyway...did you bother to read it...explain to me how it is isn't insulting. I never said I was at risk or my safety was threatened. And as far as "yet-unanswered questions about the motive of MONGO's edits"...what does that mean? The articles related to 9/11 are just one area I work on at wiki...a quick look at my userpage claerly demostrates that it isn't even my primary focus...land management is.--MONGO 18:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's a matter of whether or not MONGO can act objectively in the blocking of individuals whom you feel have insulted you. Frankly, although the dialogue between the two seems childish at best, it hardly seems an attack. I did repost the information, as Tom says below, to maintain integrity of the talk page. However, it is entirely credible to assume that one would quickly be able to remember your government connection if one had read it in an article on 9/11. That's the sad truth of the matter—you said it, and no matter what the reason, it will always be out there. It's the nature of things on Wikipedia. Furthermore, it's also easy to reconcile someone being apt to use it on an article that specifically involves your department of the government. You can't use your employment status as credibility in one article and not be prepared to lose that credibility, by reasons of who you work for, in another article.

And, God, that's not even the issue. You should NOT be blocking users because you feel they insulted YOU. Bastique▼^parler _voir 18:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

They didn't insult me...they are misusing information to try and discredit me. In fact, those trolls should be happy I haven't blocked them indefinitely for exhauisting the communities patience...maybe if you knew all that goes on in those articles you would understand that I am most definitely not alone in that feeling. At what point does the majority of people here understand that wiki isn't some blog to try and force misinformation into. I strongly recommend that you read the blocking policy and serach through Jimbo Wales comments on related matters.--MONGO 18:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I assume Bastique is acting in good faith to preserve the integrity of the talk page, but the result it to restore a deliberate attack that's using personnal information to discredit Mongo. The material Bastique re-added uses fairly broad innuendo to do it. I remember a similar comment a few months ago about a promiment administrator that was even less direct, that was promptly and correctly nuked off the RfA page with near unanimous support. I think the principle of removing these things and blocking if neccessary is well-established and supported by precedent. Tom Harrison ^Talk 18:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi there

Hi Bastique, saw that you are interested in editing Lepidoptera articles. May I draw your attention to WikiProject Lepidoptera.Regards, AshLin 23:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for joining WikiProject Lepidoptera! Hope you enjoy it! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 23:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Juniper Hills

It looks like we got us a live one! This guy is quite a character. Aside from protecting the articles the only other solution I see is a range block. His recent IPs come from Berlin, of all places. I expect him to be tenacious. -Will Beback 09:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: I've sent a request to an arbitrator to see if the "Oversight" tool can be used here. Four separate articles involved, so it'd be some work to do the old-fashioned way. This editor seems to realize that this hits a nerve. -Will Beback 10:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

[3] for lightening me up :) Werdna (talk) 02:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Parks

I was hoping you could weigh in on the deletion debate regarding Robert D. Parks. In my mind, Bob Parks is quite notable and an article about him contributes to more complete wikipedia coverage of Broward County. As you probably know, Bob Parks is a long-term member of the broward school board. He has long been a leader in the local educational and political communities. Although the article I wrote about him is far from perfect, it provides evidence of notability and citations for this evidence. Thank you in advance. Captaintruth 15:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SVG maps

I saw you were involved with SVGs on Wikimedia, so I hope you can answer my question. I'm thinking of converting CIA maps to SVG to make all country maps in SVG format. It would be really useful if these maps could be used as more than just images. Two things I had in mind, which should be easy to implement, are:

• Allow substituting words (placenames), thus making the same maps usable in many languages.
• Allow words or shapes to link to wikipedia articles.

From what I understand, right now wikimedia transforms SVG images into PNG when they are embedded using the [[Image:...]] format, and they do not support links. While I understand that supporting links could be a problem, the first item I suggest should be fairly simple to implement. I was thinking about something like [[Image:some_map.svg|subs Spain->España|subs Italy->Italia|subs France->Francia|...]], causing the map to be displayed with the Spanish names instead of the original (English) names. This can be implemented by substituting the relevant strings in the SVG file before rendering. This could be extended in the future to something like ...| subs Italy->[[Italy]] | subs Georgia->[[Georgia (country)|Georgia]]|... to allow links for placenames at least, if this becomes possible. Do you happen to know who handles the issues of SVG support? Can I help somehow? Thanks,--Enthus 08:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAU debate

I just came upon a debate I thought you might be interested in over at the Florida Atlantic University article and its discussion page. Seems an editor has been trying to add the nickname "Find Another University" and some information about admissions standards (both with apparently good cites) but has had his changes reverted by some users who don't seem to like that this information reflects poorly on FAU. I wrote an overlong passage myself, but I know you've made useful contributions to past South Florida disputes; maybe you have something to contribute to this one. Captaintruth 23:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Renaming Gaeltacht areas

You wrote:

Congratulations on changing Gleann Cholm Cille (and many other Gaeltacht areas) to an anglicised version. That took a lot of courage given the perilous situation of the English language. It's about time those Irish with their backward language were eliminated entirely from Ireland. Thank you for, like many Englishmen before you, doing your part. God bless. 193.1.172.138 12:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear anonymous user at the University College Dublin,

I happen to believe that English should be used when working in the English wikipedia. It's this thing I have. English names in English. Silly, I know. Many cities and towns across the world have other names in their native tongues. I don't think, for instance, you'll find Rome as the official name of the capital of Italy, but we still happen to keep our article under that name. Because it's the English name.

You may wish to visit WP:IMOS to understand why we don't use the official names of Gaeltacht cities on the English wikipedia.

You'll be pleased to know that I'm all for the use of Irish names in Irish, however. I personally, despite not knowing Irish, have contributed myself a great deal. If you'd like to contribute to the vastly impressive Irish wikipedia, you can find it at ga.wikipedia.org.

By the way, I'm not an Englishman. I'm an American. Bastique▼^parler _voir 15:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi B please read my contribution to the discussion on the use of Irish names for Gaeltacht areas, as opposed to the anglicised versions. While I can see where you are coming from I feel you are a little behind the times in regard to this issue. The enactment of the languages act has already lead to the removal of all signposts using the anglicised versions of the names. This should surely be a key factor in name usage, although I would suggest we continue to put these out-of-date name references in italics in brackets accompanied by a reference to the act itself etc.) Taibhdhearc 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You're missing the point. The official name of London is just that, but you don't see any of use nipping over to fr:Londres and attempting to move it, do you? On this wikipedia, we use the English names for things, just as on frwiki they use French names. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

This does however raise an interesting question (though I don't really have an opinion either way)...English is an official language of Ireland (along with Gaelic). It is also by far the predominant language used in Ireland. If Ireland renames a city within its borders, isn't that new name then, even if Gaelic in origin, also the correct English name of that place? I mean, (although i know this is not completely analogious) our page for Boca Raton, Florida is not called Mouth of the Rat, Flower, is it? In short, if an English speaking country adopts a non-English place name, doesn't it make sense to use the non-English name? Just a thought. Captaintruth 20:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree with you. I just thought it was an interesting point worth raising. BTW, did you ever get a chance to have a look at the FAU controversy I pointed out to you? It seems to have resolved itself anyway. Captaintruth 22:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

This was exactly the point I was raising when I said: "I'm afraid that isn't a point that I missed. If we in Ireland decide to call a town 'Z' and then proceed to use this name on all our signposts and goverment publications surely it makes perfect sense to adapt to this situation. In fact the word 'rosmuck', for example, is not an English word per se. A name is a tag to aid someone in recognising a location, particularly important if you are trying to find a place. I wouldn't recommend an article on Kingstown, Queenstown or Marysborough although a reference to the use of these names for an historic period might aid someone beginning to research history on a given area. Taibhdhearc 15:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)" on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles) Taibhdhearc 14:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:User Siamese owner

Bastique, Are you interested in moving this template to your userspace? I'm going to nominate Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets for deletion. Rfrisbie^talk 03:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

While I'd certainly rather have the Userbox in my userspace rather than see it deleted, I'm completely befuddled as to the intent. Rule number one of WP:GUS clearly states If it ain't broke, don't fix it. In other words, there has never been a controversy regarding the nature of one's pets, why in the world is there a need to Userfy them? As an admin who has been privy to userbox conversations both on site and off, I've never heard of any issue with the pet userboxes. Why cause problems where there are none? Bastique▼^parler _voir 16:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I was opposed to the eviction of userboxes from template space altogether. However, that's not how things have played out. What I see from Wikipedia:Userboxes/Userbox location straw poll is an emerging consensus that, "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander." Interest userboxes generally are not seen as "hard-core" encyclopedic topics. Of the thousands of links I've redirected, very few users have objected. You have been one of the most notable exceptions. By putting Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets up for deletion, we'll have a chance to see where the community stands at this point, particular since other pages already have been deleted. Rfrisbie^talk 16:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malatya & Trabzon

Hi Bastique,

I have some pretty strong evidence that the person removing the Greek names from those two articles is the banned user TuzsuzDeliBekir. See User talk:Dmcdevit#TuzsuzDeliBekir. Therefore, I think that the two pages should be semi-protected, to stop him from editing. What do you think? P.S. I think I remember you from a conflict over a year-ago with a user called "Mac Duach". Is he still around? —Khoikhoi 19:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I'm pretty sure that this user is going to persist, as he's never really liked me that much. ;) All the IPs are located in Adana, where the user also lives.

BTW, would you mind taking a look at the Adnan Oktar page? Various sockpuppets (Bob Dylan Bob, Messadelrosa, SuperSantana, ZambrottaNesta) continue to remove material critical of Oktar. All of this sounds very similar to the Jeff Merkey case. Do you think full-protection is a good idea? —Khoikhoi 19:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Arrrrghhhh - I think semi-protection is necessary now... —Khoikhoi 19:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Bastique, if Khoikhoi wants to display the former names of the cities, he should do it in the history section. When he places it in the introduction section, it makes a messy look. In addition, he displays the modern day Greek name in the introduction section which would not be appropriate. Because, if we display all of the foreign names (French, Italian, Korean, etc.), can you imagine how the introduction will look like :D So, in case of displaying foreign names of the cities, it would be more appropriate to create new pages. And, put the link to it in the 'See also' section. Thanks. ;-) --Zeytin 03:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, it's important to put that in the beginning of the article. If you disagree, talk about it on the article's talk page, not by reverting. --Awiseman 06:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Bastique - you can follow up on this issue on admin Aldux's discussion page (see here). So, you can be careful on the requests of users Khoikhoi and Hectorian. Thanks. --Zeytin 02:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Scott

No more history? St.isaac 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Ahhhh. That was soo confusing. It makes sense now though (why the David history wasn't there). St.isaac

[edit] Wikimeetup

I would love to attend, but unfortunately I am currently living out of state (though I do very much still consider myself a Floridian). Good idea, though. Captaintruth 14:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highly intelligent != rational

No offense, but just because you don't consider yourself to be irrational doesn't mean that all of your beliefs are not irrational. There are plenty of highly "intelligent" people who are irrational when it comes to their own personal beliefs. Rationality in terms of claims of observability is demarcated by science not by the beliefs of the intelligent. --ScienceApologist 19:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cupertino

Thanks for the welcome! :-) Settling in over here ... - Alison^✍ 04:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why Block

Hi, Why block? You could just talk to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrunchyCrunchCrunchy (talk • contribs)

[edit] Your oppose

As if there weren't enough red flags already. Yours is the most poignant. To quote User:Phaedriel-- saddening. (Shaking head, mumbling quietly to myself.) :) Dlohcierekim 15:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:User Siamese owner

Per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets, I moved User:UBX/Siamese owner to {{User:UBX/Siamese owner}}. Feel free to move it to your userspace. Rfrisbie^talk 16:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fairlawn, Florida

Hi, Bastigue-- Could you look at this. There is a question as to whether this is a real place or a hoax article. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 08:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tarot Cards

Hello, Bastique. So I guess the minor arcana cards I uploaded somehow are gonna be deleted too...=/ Oh...That took me so much work...But what can be done against those pseudo-patenters´ selvage capitalism . I´m watching your effort to put on that rider-waite coloured version of yours. Would you take my suggest? I think The lovers are too dark, I lighted up it in my pc and got better. If you permit me to change up I will. =] Don Leon 14:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wangi/RFA

Thanks for your comments on my rfA, in the end I did manage to become an admin. Please let me know of anything I do that you've got an issue with! Thanks/wangi 00:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

Please no taunting in the block summary [4]. Not only is it incivil, but it will probably just incite the person to vandalize more. I've seen it time and time again that insulting them just feeds the trolling. Instead just act professionally with a boring block summary and that doesn't give them anything to go on. The goal is to reduce future problems, not get your insults in. - Taxman ^Talk 17:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Netscott

Bastique, regarding your unblock of Netscott, can I ask you please not to take administrative action regarding content disputes you're involved in? If it were all right for you to unblock Netscott, then it would have been all right for Jayjg to block him in the first place, rather than report the violation on AN/3RR. When we're in a content dispute, we're there as editors only. I know that can be frustrating, but it's best to try to stick to it. Also, we're not supposed to undo blocks without first thoroughly discussing the issue with the blocking admin, so your unblock violated WP:BLOCK in that regard too. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 17:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. It's not a question of not being able to be objective. If that were the only problem, involved admins would be allowed to block for 3RR, because a 3RR violation requires very little subjective evaluation and often none at all. Therefore, Jayjg could have gone ahead and performed the block himself rather than reporting it. You did the equivalent of that by unblocking when involved. In future, if you believe a block is too harsh, raise it with the blocking admin, and if you can't persuade him to alter it, post on AN/I. That pertains even if you have no involvement in the content dispute, by the way, but even more so (in fact, absolutely so) if you do. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 18:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, I think you ought to take seriously that the regular editors on a page may know more about the issue that someone who has just arrived at it and has no specialist knowledge. That doesn't mean the regular editors must be deferred to (this is a wiki, after all), but it makes sense to give them the benefit of the doubt, especially when you see that they're experienced editors. What was happening on that page was an attempt to disrupt it, pure and simple, and it's important that admins don't inadvertently lend their weight to such efforts. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 18:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] major arcana

Bastique, aren´t you gonna upload the other 14 major arcana cards. There´s a hole in those articles. Don Leon 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

Grandmasterka 21:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Er...yeah. Cool Cat and I have discussed things now. Thanks, though! Bastique▼^parler _voir 22:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool Cat's block has been reduced to two hours while you've been unblocked... I didn't agree with your original blocking (nor really Cool Cat's - but he does have a rather extensive block log). You might consider unblocking him. Cheers. (→Netscott) 22:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You actually didn't unblock me but reduced my block (thanks again for that)... You should have unblocked me though considering User:Jayjg and User:SlimVirgin gamed the 3RR system to get me blocked. I'm likely to file an RfC over that matter. Take it easy. (→Netscott) 22:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)