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Contents 1 They Stooge to Conga 2 Baseball cartoon 3 re: Dodger Stadium 4 Native American 5 Omaha AA team 6 RfC on me 7 Re: Talk: Children of Men 8 WP:N/CA 9 My Talk Page 10 Logo galleries in TV station articles 11 Chief Wahoo 12 Orphaned non-free media (Image:ParamountLogo1930s.JPG) 13 82.45.126.198 14 Quick Links 15 Warning Templates 16 Rollback discussion 17 Probation 18 Funny Joke! 19 Hi there 20 Cal Ripken, Jr. 21 Adding Soxrock to Missing Wikipedians 22 Orphaned non-free image (Image:Mike Post CD cover.JPG) 23 Ty Cobb 24 Pennants 25 Fenway Park 26 Baseball uniform 27 Fenway Park 28 Replaceable fair use Image:Mike Post CD cover.JPG 29 Vandalism warning 30 Vandalism warning 31 3RR notice 32 Spam notice 33 Ron Possible? 34 Baseball uniform 35 Help with tags 36 Air Force 37 Up for a re-write? 38 Riccardo Ingram 39 flag 40 Personal attack 41 WP:RFPP. 42 Re: Copyvio on WP:ANI 43 User:Ekajati et alia 44 Reverts to Ron Santo 45 Comments 46 Chicago Cubs 47 70.243.80.195 48 WP:CUBS 49 List 50 Peter Wall 51 Thanks 52 LTGC5 53 Indiana Jones 54 WP:AIV and you :) 55 Something about drama....

[edit] They Stooge to Conga

Hello - please be mindful of adding information and facts that are duplicative of present information. The comment title being a play on the play She Stoops to Conquer was already included. Please review the article thoruoughly before submitting. Thanx! Oanabay04 (talk) 00:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baseball cartoon

Hey, I'm watching TCM, MGM Parade, and it's got a baseball cartoon - obviously MGM, but no title card, featuring "Harvey Houndog" a character I don't think I've ever heard of. (But then, I'm not much of a fan of MGM cartoons.) It's in B&W, but that's probably because MGM Parade was shown on TV. It's got some jokes that are similar to "Baseball Bugs" ("One, two, three strikes your out", but with the pitcher throwing three balls in quick sucession, and no multiple batters; and a catcher talking back to the pitcher "That's the stuff, boy..." etc) but I've no idea if it came before or after (probably after, I think). Are you familiar with it? Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 09:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Never heard of it before. I don't think I have TCM. I'll see what I can find about it. One thing is certain - writers steal from each other all the time. One of the more notorious cases was Bugs vs. a mouse in Rhapsody Rabbit, and a Tom and Jerry cartoon that was the same idea. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 09:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Dodger Stadium

While RFK Stadium was operating, Dodger Stadium was the 5th oldest. When Nationals Park opened, Dodger Stadium reverted to being the 4th oldest. Somehow, that fact got overlooked by those of us watching it. Thanks for fixing. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I knew about RFK, but the article said it would be third after Yankee Stadium AND Shea closed, implying Shea was olderVader47000 (talk) 17:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Native American

Read the article in the March 4, 2002 issue of Sports Illustrated. They have a poll in which an overwhelming majority of Native Americans say they don't find the nicknames offensive, and most Native Americans living off reservations like the Tomahawk Chop at Braves games. So while most Native American activists find the names offensive, the rest don't really care, and in fact a lot of them like the usage.Tracer Bullet (talk) 20:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Omaha AA team

Thanks for the response. Neither the NYT article nor the WP article mention the name of the Omaha team at its inception. Do you have any suggestions on where I could find that? • Freechild'sup? 08:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfC on me

Hi. Just wanted to point out that an RfC has been filed on me, and invite you to participate (one way or the other) if you're interested. Thanks. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 19:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw. I'll take a look at it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 19:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Talk: Children of Men

Apparently, he became a lot less civil when he noticed us talking civilly. Maybe if we shouted at each other and used choice swear words, he'd like you again. That whole, 'enemy of my enemy' thing.' ;) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 16:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

He finally got around to answering my question, and he won't take my advice otherwise, so there's nothing more I can say to him. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 16:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

He was the first editor I really disagreed with after making WP a regular part of my day. You are preaching to the heavenly choir, my friend.

Enjoy the movie, if you get a chance to see it. Drop me a line and tell me what you thought. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

On the other matter, wasn't it Buffalo Gals? but the folk were singing Auld Lang Syne - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 05:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but he got to kiss Donna Reed. As I grew up fairly sheltered, one of my first crushes was on her. Since then, I've had a thing for heart-shaped faces. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 05:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Donna Reed didn't age well, either. But I am going to have to disagree with you regarding Ingrid Bergman. Grace Kelly and Lauren Bacall has that distinction for me. Or Diane Lane, who I fell in love with after seeing A Little Romance on video at the tender age of 9. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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I don't really want to talk about Ed's problem, and certainly not on my UserTalk page. I have enough Crazy™ on my plate at this time. Keeping focused will help me keep my cool. I am trying to hold my temper nowadays. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

BB:Answering your question - I filed at AN/I about 2-3 day ago, I guess. It's been archived by now. I agree that AN/I was the wrong place -- too complex and not sexy enough. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 06:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

(ec)Thanks. I don't want to shunt Ed off, but I don't need to talk about any other large-scale disagreement, spanning multiple pages right now. I appreciate that he found the time to post elsewhere, but I cannot handle as many issues as he clearly can.

Speaking of which, I just came from the RS Noticeboard. Wow, that was pretty nutty. First the accusation that I am making sock-puppets without even an attempt at RfCU, and then, -poof- you become my meat-puppet and or sock as well. I wonder if Jimbo responded, would he make the same accusation? Clearly, the guy doesn't know we've clashed before (and nice to know we are at least past that, btw), and we just happen to agree on this topic. Sigh. Anyway, I am out for the night. Take care. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

For reference if User:Viriditas [1] claims I'm a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of User:Arcayne:

January 13 - 3RR warning from User:Arcayne about The Natural (film): [2]

March 5 - Caution from User:Arcayne to admin User:Pedro about giving me rollback rights: [3]

Maybe it's this: [4] No, it isn't. Arcayne needs to supply URL.

Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 07:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Bugs, my good fellow, I'm afraid you're being trolled. There's no such claim that "poof you become my meat-puppet and or sock as wel" and you'll never, ever find one. Arcayne has a long history of making wild accusations that can never be substantiated, and I can prove that with diffs. When he gets called on it, he makes up some lame excuse and backpedals. So Bugs, tell me, what are you going to do when you realize that there isn't any evidence for what Arcayne is saying? He's banking on the fact that you'll just get tired and give up. Please, don't do that. Follow through on this. Keep the pressure on. Follow your nose. But, I can already tell you what's going to happen. Arcayne is going to reply that you must have misunderstood him and that he meant something else entirely. He's pulled that a few dozen times already. So, I appreciate that once you begin to figure this out, you follow up on your promise to remove the off-topic comments from the talk page. Oh, and btw, I support you getting rollback rights. However, if you want an admin to give them to you, show them that you have a history of only using the undo/revert for vandalism and promise that is all you will use it for. Obviously, you will need to build that history and stop using the undo/revert feature during edit wars. If you need any support, let me know. Viriditas (talk) 14:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for explaining. I had no idea you already had rollback. Glad it's working out for you! Have a great day. Viriditas (talk) 15:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Bugs, I just came here to back-pedal, and tell you how you misunderstood me and how I meant something else entirely. Could I bank on you getting tired of this and just give up? (insert exasperated laugh here)

But before you do, maybe I could get you to take a gander at the following diffs. It would appear that I went a bit far in claiming his specific accusation of you as a sock-puppet. Perhaps it was this comment (1), wherein I was retroactively accused of sock-puppetry for events over a year ago, and implied I was 'socking and 'meating now. When you seemed to respond favorably to my posts, his resultant accusations of wikistalking (2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) and his personal attacks on not just you (8, 9, 10, 11) but myself as well (far too many instances to list here), I think the two coalesced into a large mass of uncivil behavior on V's part. The last time he actually accused someone of being a meat-puppet of me, it was discovered that the kid (it was a 14 year old) was a newbie who had never heard of either of us before and just popped a comment into the CoM discussion...much like you did. The noob nearly left the Project over the matter, and V was tendered a warning over the matter.

So, I'm apologizing for mixing the incivility and personal attacks with the accusations of sockpuppetry. If apology equals back-pedaling, then I guess I am doing that. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Roger. I don't think there's much else I can do at this point. I'll just have to let you two keep slugging it out. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 22:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:N/CA

Because of the limited discussion, this proposal was marked rejected. It can be resurrected at any time, and may become useful in the future, but for now, just wanted to thank you for your contributions. Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 15:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Talk Page

I have a right to blank it, so mind your own business. 12.39.2.83 (talk) 15:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Logo galleries in TV station articles

We have had a year-long dispute on this issue, with administrators such as A Man in Black being the main enforcer of this so-called "Wikipedia policy". Those of us who edit and maintain these articles believe the images (logos) are important for informational and historical purposes, and we don't agree with the technicalities of the free-image policy which A Man in Black (and other administrators) seeks to shove down our collective throats.

While I appreciate your efforts to fight back, we can't risk being counter-productive in our efforts to fight this form of censorship. Please join the discussion and give us your opinion on this issue at the Television Stations WikiProject. Rollosmokes (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

"The deletionists always win, because the inclusionists lack the will to continually fight against their relentless desire to delete anything they don't like."

Which is precisely why we have to keep fighting them until they give in. Rollosmokes (talk) 17:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chief Wahoo

The bot removed the image in this article because both Cleveland Indians and Chief Wahoo weren't linked in the fair use rationale on the image description page. I've corrected the problem and the bot (probably) won't remove it again. Cheers, Cumulus Clouds (talk) 05:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Well, the bots are designed to look for images that have no summaries, or summaries that lack one of the ingredients of the nonfree content criteria. All fair use images must have rationales which link the articles they're used in. This is what both Fairusebot and Betacommandbot look for when they assess fair use images. The bot itself can't make any assessment as to what function an image serves in an article and in fact, they're both very good at removing lots of images that aren't use. That kind of work would be very tedious for a human to do, so personally I'm glad to have them around, but yes it can be aggravating sometimes to fight with code instead of human reason. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 18:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:ParamountLogo1930s.JPG)

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Fixed. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 13:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 82.45.126.198

The thing is, is that WP:AIV is only for active vandals (per the instructions at the top). It's an IP. He's made one bad edit today. Then no more. That's simply not active. Please note the IP is from Telewest an ISP and therefore is probably dynamic. We can't be sure that this is the same user as the one who edited two days ago. Blocks are preventative. No more damage was occuring so there was no need to block. I'm sorry, I know it gets frustrating, but blocking has to be done with a fine touch at times and there was no reason for me to block here. Pedro :  Chat  10:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Below, I bequeath two of my most trusted tables! They're quite handy on your user page, I used to find. Regarding warnings, in theory if a vandal is active you go through stages 1,2,3,4 then report after the final warning. But discretion is the watchword. A clear nasty bit of vandalism should get a {{subst:uw-bv}} followed by test 4 then AIV. Equally you might move from test 1 to test 3. Use common sense. But when reporting make sure that not only has the vandal been warned, but that warnings are current (e.g. a test 1 from the 12th April, test 2 from the 15th April and test 3 on the 21st April with a report on the 30th april is not really good enough) It also depends if the account/IP has been blocked in the past (serial long term school IP's can be blocked with just one warning shot, and not even that). Accounts that are vandalism only but have allways stopped after a test 4 are another complication as well. If in doubt it's better to report, but try to follow these guidelines if you can, and remember that if an IP is dynamic it really has to be vandalism that is persistent and happening right when you report. Hope that helps, but feel free to ask me anything else. Pedro :  Chat  11:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I saw your personal warnings. No problems there given what you're doing - analysing a pattern before stepping in. I sometimes rollback without feeling the need to warn editors - there's a clear difference between out and out vandalism and editing "tests", and I think we can deter people from becoming productive if we slap templates on their pages to readily. I hope you find the tables useful. I'm often around 07:00 - 16:00 Wikipedia time (weekdays) if you need admin action on something, but WP:AIV is normally well attended and for vandalism it's best to go there direct. Pedro :  Chat  11:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope! I'm a brit but I've had this nickname in RL so when the opportunity came to usurp it I couldn't resist. But I get a lot of editors asking me that question, or if I speak Spanish (which I don't, I'm afraid to say!) Pedro :  Chat  12:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

You've piqued my interest. Not before my time, but yes not a british thing so I've never heard of him before! Pedro :  Chat  12:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I love it. Now I need to work out a awy of getting "'S'all right! Close the box!" into an edit summary! Pedro :  Chat  12:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for those links - I'll look later when I'm not behind my work firewall !!! Pedro :  Chat  13:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Rollback discussion

You may want to give some input here Pedro :  Chat  10:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Probation

How would I be put on the admin probation? Computermadgeek (talk) 13:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Note: The above editor was just blocked indefinitely for disruption. [5] Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 14:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Funny Joke!

NOT!!! Retro Agnostic (talk) 10:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi there

It's me again, the guy with THOUSANDS of socks. Just to let you know that I wasn't lying about that, I have a plentiful supply, and I don't ever intend to stop until all you admins have gotten what you deserve —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan Howarth (talk • contribs) 10:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cal Ripken, Jr.

Hi, Could you take a look at Cal Ripken, Jr.#1991 where it says:

"His 1991 season is the fourth-greatest in baseball history (second among non-pitchers) as measured by WARP3 at 17.0 wins, bested only by Walter Johnson's 1913 (18.1 wins), Babe Ruth's 1932 (18 wins), and Amos Rusie's 1894 season (17.6 wins."

What the heck is "WARP3"? (other than an old IBM PC operating system). And Babe Ruth hadn't recorded any pitching "wins" since his Red Sox days in 1918. It's a redlink and a quick search only finds it mentioned on one or two other baseball players articles, so I'm wondering if this is some non-notable cruft that ought to go (at best), or perhaps even a hoax? JGHowes ^talk - 00:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll check it out when I get the chance. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Soxrock to Missing Wikipedians

Just thought id let you know, on his page he states you as one of his friends. Hopefully he will come back, (do you know anything?) but is on an indefinite wikibreak, at a crossroads as he stated. Certainly deserves to be on the list, i didn't know him that well but an incredible contributor to sports projects. Feel free to add any extra info here Thanks Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 14:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Mike Post CD cover.JPG)

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[edit] Ty Cobb

Greetings. You can at least have the courtesy of spelling my screen name right on Badger Drink's page. As far as your issue with the use of pennants on Hall-of-Famers' info boxes, it's true that players themselves don't win them, but it's their contributions that win them for their teams. As an authority on the Detroit Tigers, all I have to do is look at Cobb's stats in those three seasons to see how it was largely his on-field performance that won the Tigers three pennants in a row. Helping a team win a pennant, let alone a World Series, is alone a remarkable accomplishment that I think should be recognized. I'm more than willing to listen to other points-of-view, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that helping your team win a pennant is not a significant achievement. I think we'd all be better off if we assume good intentions. I hope we can work something out and make everybody happy. Mdb1370 (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't buy it, but the consensus on the project page seems to support your take on it; in fact, I was going to revert Badger "pending project discussion", but you kind of beat me to it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pennants

I don't really have the time to get sucked into Wikidrama, but I think it's fucking ridiculous to list pennants in player accomplishments. We don't mention national events (such as wars fought) in the "accomplishments" section of people who happened to be serving in Congress. It's not a matter of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS - it's a matter of WP:NODUH. Teams win pennants. Players contribute, but the worth of their contributions cannot be objectively measured. You'd be hard-pressed to find a single source that considers "pennants won" a worthy statistic for a player. Anyway, there's my $0.02, feel free to quote me in any relevant discussions - but there's nothing more frustrating than having to justify common sense. 20 morons on a project talk page can still be completely wrong. Cheers and Cobbs - --Badger Drink (talk) 04:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fenway Park

DO NOT change the edit I made to Fenway Park. This will be your only warning.--Esprit de corps (talk) 06:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The citation does not support the claim. See the Fenway talk page. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I DONT HAVE TO SEE IT. I'm right. YOU ARE wrong.--Esprit de corps (talk) 06:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baseball uniform

May I have your opinions on it? I created it, it's a DYK by the way.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 07:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fenway Park

Just a reminder that being right doesn't make you exempt from 3RR. What you're dealing with is a content dispute, not vandalism, so you are still bound by 3RR. If you're right, your position will be implemented without edit warring. So I'd recommend just backing off and letting the situation cool off a bit. Thanks. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 07:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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Moved to separate article about the CD, as per Polly. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 09:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism warning

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[edit] Vandalism warning

Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been removed or reverted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 11:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] 3RR notice

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[edit] Spam notice

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[edit] Ron Possible?

Do you think these have a Ron-esque flavour? --Ebyabe (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baseball uniform

Thank you for your help with the above article. It looks like a quality article now. If you didn't know, there were some copyvio in the article. Me and User:Kingturtle copyedited the article but I think there was still some left. While improving the article, did you fix the copyvio problems?--Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 20:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't tell where it would be. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You should go to Talk:Baseball uniform. Most of it is in the cap section of Baseball uniform.--Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 20:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help with tags

Hi Bugs. The three imgaes I have are:

1. A photograph of an Ulster Defence Regiment cap badge (beret insignia someone called it).

2. A photograph of an Ulster Defence Regiment female soldier, tending a wounded man at the Enniskillen bombing. It was taken from an amateur video and transmiited on various TV stations around the world and reproduced in the press.

3. A photograph of the entrance to an old army barracks which has now been demolished.

Also, the logo which is at the top of the article, which wasn't placed there by me. It is a reproduction of the regimental crest. GDD1000 (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Air Force

Ok, no big deal. It was sung with "terrible" back in the Army Air Corp days, but now (in the modern day Air Force) it is definitely "Hell of a." The lyrics given to me in basic training, Airman leadership school, Officer training school and numerous other occasions ALWAYS says "Hell of a roar." That footnote gave me the impression that there's still some contention as to which one is used...that's all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novadogg (talk • contribs) 02:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Up for a re-write?

Greetings sir! (Hopefully you are a "sir") I've seen you around on various baseball related articles and thought this may intrest you. I was looking around on various articles for my next project and stumbled upon Honus Wagner, which is suprisingly only a "Start" class article. I have just finished getting PNC Park up to a GA and didn't really know if I wanted to do another baseball article, but I thought if I could work with someone it would go quicker and Honus seems like a topic which is worthwhile to improve. You can just leave a messege on my talk page as of your intentions, and if you know anyone else who may like to help let me know! Thanks! Blackngold29 02:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't have to do it right now, when is your trip? I am sure I could find something to keep me busy among the 2000000 articles out there, until after you get back. I don't know very much about him either, but I think I have a biography about him laying around somewhere that I could read until you return. As you seem interested in the topic I think it would be more beneficial to the article to wait until you get back, (as intrest in the topic I am sure will produce a better result) I will also go to the Baseball WP and see if we can recruit a few more people. Blackngold29 02:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I turn 20 this year so the words "Pirates" and "Winning" in the same sentence still brings a confused smile to my face, but they have video evidence that it happend so... I caught a few hours of documentaries about the '70s teams on TV the other day which I would really like to see again sometime. I think someone on the team said that when other teams were up by three on the Bucs, they would be happy even though the Pirates had already won; they just hadn't scored yet. It would be awesome to watch a team with that kind of confidence play everyday. And Honus and Cobb would be insane to watch, the way players then used to go into second "spikes up" every time; it's like full contact baseball. If you want a fun baseball read check out this one, my dad got it a few years ago and I skimmed through it, Waddell was one of a kind (not many pitchers today wrestle alligators the day before they start). Anyway, this is the Wagner bio that I have. When you said "trip" you meant it, but I still think I can wait until you get back. One habit that I get into is adding citations to like every sentence; so I can go through the current article and do that, which should take some time. I'll save any heavy writing until last, hopefully you'll be back by then. Blackngold29 03:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll start looking over it and seeing what I can do, but I don't see myself writing something as big as the Ty Cobb or Babe Ruth article alone; I'd be here until Christmas probably. I should have atleast a solid outline by the time you get back, I've been wanting to write a Featured Article and this might be my chance; I'll have to read more on him before I start though.

Did you see the Sox pitcher, Jon Lester, get his no-hitter tonight? I caught the end when they interupted the game on ESPN. I think he hugged every other player and coach on the whole team. Pretty cool stuff. Blackngold29 03:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I started my fact collecting process in my sandbox, I sense that this will be the longest article that I've ever written. If you have anything in particular just add it to the list and I'll sort through them later. I left a note on the WP:Baseball talk page, but no biters yet. I started reading that Honus Wagner: A Biography today, it said he played every position except catcher and most people said he could've been a Hall of Famer at any of them, just crazy. I don't know how I forgot this last night, but My neighbor grew up right down the street from Wagner, when he was older. She was pretty young, but he was a nice guy who would sit out on his porch at night, and they knew at one time he had played baseball at one time, and that's all they knew. Talk about missed oppurtunities, lol. Blackngold29 23:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Riccardo Ingram

Hey Baseball Bugs, could you give me a hand on Riccardo Ingram? I want to shrink the picture down to the size it is uploaded as, because it looks blurry and crappy now. Any ideas? Thanks. Philatio (talk) 04:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] flag

The flag does move a little when the astronaut passes by it about 2:38. Bubba73 (talk), 19:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attack

I view this as a personal attack and request that you remove it. Impugning my good faith effort to write a featured article and implying that I have commercial interests in the company is crossing the line. --Laser brain (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Your complaint has been noted and logged. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 19:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is a personal attack as well as a breach of WP:AGF. I recommend striking, apologizing, or otherwise making amends. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not agree that it was a personal attack. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I assume that it was meant to be ironical, but it can be viewed as a personal attack. Cenarium (talk) 00:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I am very much opposed to spam on wikipedia, no matter how well-written it is. And these writers' continued over-defensiveness suggests that I'm on the right track. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFPP.

Replied here. Cheers, · AndonicO ^Engage. 16:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

You'd be surprised how many people hate rats. ;) Amusing userpage, by the way. · AndonicO ^Engage. 16:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't say I've heard of Mikey Rodent or Darnold, no. As for userpages, I don't want to know how much time I spent on mine... probably over three hours. · AndonicO ^Engage. 20:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha, looks amusing. As for my userpage, the layout is copied (but took me hours to make it work), and nearly everything else is original. I used to edit my userpage way too much... · AndonicO ^Engage. 00:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, I had to ask on the help desk (not very often that someone who's been here nearly two years does that). :P · AndonicO ^Engage. 09:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Copyvio on WP:ANI

I get it now. Thanks for informing. Have a nice day.  S3000  ☎ 10:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, looks like the administrators are doing an FBI job by linking up users! It must take time and knowledge of several admistrators to solve a case like this. Being the first of such a case I've come across, I'm surprised at you saying it happens 'all the time'!

You wrote with the IP address blocked, it will be interesting to see if Rosencoment also disappears for awhile; What's the big deal?! All he has to do is switch off his modem / restart his computer and he'll have a new IP address! I get a new IP address every day! I don't see how's this going to solve the problem.

Thanks for updating me.  S3000  ☎ 14:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Please update me on any significant progress if you get it from the admin; if you have time to spare. I'd love to see how this case goes. Thanks and have a good day.  S3000  ☎ 14:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Lolz.. that gave me today's first laugh! I should also check out that page when I have time.  S3000  ☎ 14:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Ekajati et alia

I could fill you in on the background if you'd like. I am, however, an involved and probably biased party to this 18 month old dispute. Still, I think I could give a reasonably neutral and brief description if you want. Cheers, Pigman☿ 20:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right: The User:Ekajati Sock farm/hydra is not User:Rosencomet. Ekajati has actually been more of a problem overall than Rosencomet. He has rather strenuously defended Rosencomet's actions, sometimes quite viciously, including harrassing and attacking other Wikipedians. Witness the IP recently calling the current ANI report/discussion a "gangrape" as an example. Without Ekajati's participation, I suspect this ongoing situation could have been cleared up long ago, very likely without Rosencomet facing the strong possibility of a lengthy block. Unfortunately, Rosencomet seems unable to shake the poor early influence of Ekajati on his attitude toward Wikipedia. He has yet to repudiate Ekajati's actions and has complained several times about lacking "defenders" now that Ekajati is mostly out of this particular picture. Rosencomet continues to make his own bed, so to speak, and is responsible for sleeping in it. Sadly, at this point his attitude toward Wikipedia may be beyond repair.

On other matters, your participation/work on AIV and ANI is always welcome. I'm guilty of checking in less than I should but there's only so much time for editing and such. Most of my admin work is the grunt work of closing WP:AfDs, processing expired prods and deleting WP:CSDs. Being an admin is not a romantic job. If anything comes up you need help with, don't hesitate to ask me. Third opinions, copyediting and article structure seem to be my strong points at the moment. Cheers, Pigman☿ 23:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't necessarily think your impulse for a quick trigger finger is bad. It's unfortunate that many admins tend to get a bit shy of quick and decisive action. Well, I'll just speak for myself: I'm cautious about bringing the block-hammer down because I don't want to make mistakes or do an injustice to an editor. I'm of the mind that, if I've been entrusted with the extra buttons, I also have a responsibility to use them judiciously and equitably. Unless someone is doing vandalism this minute and it needs to be stopped now, I tend to investigate rather than act fast. I tend to doubt everyone's version of events until I've looked for myself and weighed the evidence. And I really know what you mean by the "California mentality" or "liberal mentality". I think of it as a USA East coast/West coast thing because I've often seen it play out geographically that way. I see it as a mushy, ill-defined sort of over-tolerance where there's no absolute wrong or right action or thought, just different perspectives and points of view. People afraid of judging others or being judged. On Wikipedia, it sometimes emerges as WP:AGF as an extreme sport, tolerating actions that are almost unquestionably bad intent and faith. Yet it's part of the WP culture and policy that we AGF and I agree with it. I just don't think we need to be stupid about it. If an editor serially commits policy violations, my AGF decreases exponentially. Umph! Sorry about bending your ear. I've got to clear the house now. Cheers, Pigman☿ 01:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I see nothing wrong with your approach with levels of warning and when you bring it to ANI or elsewhere. As you say, the editors making these problems should be able to read and heed your elevating warning. Persistence in the face of warning deserves it's own reward. AGF but not to the level of stupidity and denial of reality. So as the saying goes: "Go, you!" Cheers, Pigman☿ 04:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts to Ron Santo

Have you actually read the paragraph that you keep reverting:

"In Chicago, Santo is well-loved for his unabashed broadcast enthusiasm, which he reveals with groans and cheers during the game. He also possesses a charming sense of humor. During one game, in which Angel Echevarria was batting, Santo casually asked play-by-play broadcaster Pat Hughes, "Pat, do you believe in angels?" As excitable as Santo is when a great play for the Cubs occurs, he is equally as vocal in his displeasure, as is evidenced by his meltdown in 1998 when Brant Brown, who was playing left field, dropped a fly ball against Milwaukee during the team's successful run for the Wild Card. You can hear the call here. Ron also has been known to engage in discussions about his variety of toupees."

Looks like: POV, and Uncited

There is a need here for quoting a reliable source, attributing those "well-loved" and "charming" comments, and properly referencing verifiable those kinds of comments, as-well-as those with the opposite opinion.

~ WikiDon (talk) 22:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I've noticed that you make several good comments at WP:ANI. However, I would like to ask that please keep the uncivil parts out. Things like lest it get promoted to Featured Article, Spam is spam, no matter how well written, My assumption is that they've got egg on their face and any moron can edit are really not needed and appear as gratuitous insults on other editors. This remark is beyond the pale and nothing more than a insult to another editor and unnecessary. I will also leave a note at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Baseball Bugs. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 21:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I can assure you that I had no intention of taking any action beyond what I already did. And if I had known how far the AN posting would have escalated I would not have left a comment there either. And with that I will bow out of this particular mess. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 05:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. I shall go therefore and do likewise. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago Cubs

I was simply reverting what was already there. And I'd be interested to see some numbers vis-a-vis hockey. I am guessing the rising number of Hispanic U.S. immigrants will quickly and permanently place soccer as the 4th 'major' sport, ahead of hockey. As a thought that just dawned on me, the soccer mention may not warrant inclusion in the Cubs article, as the Cubs have been on a longer title-less streak than soccer has even had a presence in America. Without Googling anything, I'd guess the first soccer impact was in the 70's when Pele played on the East Coast. Not sure where I'm rambling to at this point. I guess I probably just convinced myself that mentioning soccer isn't really relevant to the Cubs article. Tool2Die4 (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. I had no idea the NBA was that 'young', but I'm not an NBA guy. I think referencing the Cubs' drought against the 3 other 'major' leagues is a good point of reference, although there's a flurry of arguments that can arise from that. Must be tough being a Cubs fan :) Tool2Die4 (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 70.243.80.195

Does this [6] mean that the IP address in question is a sock of the banned User:Ekajati? And if there is any possibility that User:Rosencomet is a sock of both, I assume that fact (or non-fact) will make itself known? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 14:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Ek's been using it that's for sure. But Rosencomet is in another part of the US. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CUBS

Please accept this invite to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago Cubs, a WikiProject dedicated to improving all articles related to the Chicago Cubs. We hope you can join and contribute greatly to the project.

WikiZorro^sign 21:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

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[edit] List

Thank you for following up. There's a list of sockpuppets here. The page was deleted by none other than Jimbo himself, but I'm willing to resurrect it myself if this person continues to harass us. (I'm not willing to say publicly why Jimbo deleted it.) I'll e-mail its contents to you if you want. His most recent major logged-in user was this one. What's happened is that various admins have tried to deal with this user over the last two and a half years, but one after another they have either washed their hands of it or left the project. GRP edits almost every day under one or another IPs -- typically the Chicago Public Library (66.99.0.0/22 and 64.107.0.0/22, currently blocked), Triton College (64.107.220.0/24, currently blocked), and a bunch of other Chicago area public locations (Best Buy, Circuit City, and some locations I haven't identified). When they're blocked he uses open proxies. He likes to pretend he is many people; indeed he is obsessed with pretending he's different people. Since he's clearly mentally ill, and impossible to shut down, I'm fearing that only a real-life intervention -- such as by law enforcement -- might get him to stop. Antandrus (talk) 05:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It appears he may be back again, under the username Indwisdom. This raised my suspicion, but he just sent me an email a couple of hours ago, and it appears (looking at his talk page) that I'm not the only one he's sent emails to without solicitation. He's clearly not quite right in the head, and that's probably the only time I've ever been uncivil on here. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 21:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Peachy. Just peachy. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really sure why he's singling me out (in response to your comment under the Antico thread), and if I knew the answer I think I'd be halfway along to understanding him. Several of the other administrators he has harassed repeatedly have either left the project, or just washed their hands of it, -- and I don't blame them. Dealing with him sucks. When I see this guy harassing other people -- such as making offensive accusations that someone's father was a Mafia member, to use one recent example -- I can't in good conscience just let it slide; it would feel cowardly -- so I have been intervening. This has gone on since December 2005, the first time I recall encountering the "George Reeves Person". One thing I have noticed is that he reserves his fiercest hate for people who try to help him. I think that once he doesn't get the results he wants, he sees them as part of the vast conspiracy against him. Unfortunately, dealing with him is taking a lot of my time, and I'd really rather be writing an encyclopedia. Funny... four years ago when I joined the project I had no idea it could be a hazardous enterprise. Adminship is overrated. I miss those early days when I just wrote articles and nobody noticed. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

For the benefit of those new to this, I've been getting them too, since shopping the NewBlock (talk · contribs) incarnation as a sock. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 02:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Seems like there ought to be some action that could be taken. This guy really abuses the "anyone can edit" philosophy that is reluctant to shut down ranges of IP addresses and so on. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Read this well, nobody abuses anything and those users ARE NOT me, but i am not going to explain you anything, read well here and i am warning you to let go of this case, got it?

You are not helping boy!Duh! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:208.109.240.138&diff=215827290&oldid=215827127 -Boxingwear

I have friends in Croatia. They might just pay you a visit. >:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC):

So you are that psycho wahabe, sure, let croats visit me, anytime! But you will get better visits soon all over the net...and your kind, enjoy mr lowlife! Im wasting time replying to total moron!

No disagreement here. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Wall

Hi. I've responded to your comments at FAC. I should say that I remain a little confused: are you saying that no article about this subject (or presumably, any similar one) should become FA? I might sympathize in some ways with that view, though of course I could do nothing about that fact in this case. On the other hand, if you do think there are ways in which this particlar article could be improved, I'd be pleased to have your comments. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 08:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For the update. Now I'm off to eat twinkies. JNW (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LTGC5

Well, Baseball Bugs, it's finally happened. Yesterday, I was finally able to buy, along with the Cloverfield DVD, the Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 5! Now I can finally create those new Looney Tunes articles I've been yearning to for so long! -- Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 16:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

And how did I know you were going straight for Bugs' Bonnets? :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not all I'm headed for. : ) I've also just created this article for The Stupor Salesman, which is a cartoon I remember fondly watching during my childhood years. Mind helping out with it? Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 17:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't right now, because I'm on a road trip. Maybe in a week or so. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 17:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

By the time I get back, you'll probably have all of them covered. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indiana Jones

That'll be covered in the inevitable Indiana Jones/National Treasure cross-over movie. We're in scifi now, so it's easy to throw in some time travel. ColdFusion650 (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Funny, Max McCoy wanted to include time travel in his last IJ novel, The Secret of the Sphinx, but Lucasfilm found it unrealistic. Wouldn't see a point to it unless it served the story really, unless Lucas wanted Indy to bump into pharoahs and whatnot. Alientraveller (talk) 06:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:AIV and you :)

Hey there! Thanks for helping us out at WP:AIV by reporting vandals, like you did here. I just thought I'd give a pointer; when you're up against IP vandals, remember that they may be dynamic or shared, meaning that many people can use the same IP in one day. The IP you reported only edited once recently; even if they vandalized previously and were blocked, if a large amount of time passes (as little as a day), it's preferable to run through a full set of warnings again instead of immediately blocking, as it could be a new user unfamiliar with Wikipedia's workings who is just testing it out. This IP seemed to be dynamic, meaning it shifted from computer to computer; the contributions log seems to indicate that, given the two-year gap in editing and randomness of subjects. Anyway, sorry for rambling on, and I hope that helps! Have a great day (and thanks for helping :)), Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 02:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, those are from half a month ago; blocking now would be unfair if the IP has shifted. But don't worry, you're not turning in too many at all! Vigilant folks like you are what help us catch so many of these guys in the first place, so rock on! :) Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 03:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup, the ultimate decision in blocking is made by the administrator handling the report. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 03:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Something about drama....