Talk:Bass instrument amplification

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Maybe we need a bit about amplifying other types of bas instrument like brass basses, bassoons, bass saxophones etc. THese could all go in one para under wind instrument amplification say. THe para would need to state the problems assiciated with amplifying these acoustic instruments.--Light current 18:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Amplifying DBs

Natmor, Perhaps an amended version of this para could be put in the DB article? What do you think? 8-|--Light current 21:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amp size and gig size

I think that bit is a bit misleading. Most amplification at large venues comes from the PA, not the bass amp. A person at a large concert might use a relatively small rig for monitoring, while a person might use an 8x10 at a clubif they don't have a PA to plug into. The article should mention that the amp may or may not have to project bass into the whole venue. --Howdybob 13:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sealed vs. ported

I don't know that an attempt at explaining ports is appropriate here. It might be better to just mention it and link to bass reflex and other articles.. There are various tradeoffs and it's a bit much to explain them. Sealed cabs don't necessarily make "truer" bass if you include low distortion as a criterion. BR is by far the more common and I think it might be best to leave it at that. I might change later it but if I do I wanted to explain why I'd cut it out. --Howdybob 14:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC) Now it says:

The disadvantage of using tuned ports is that there is no air pressure difference to help 'spring' the driver back into place, so the low-frequency sound production may not be as precise.

That's not right. At the tuning frequency the ported cab has a lot more backpressure on the cone. Below tuning the sealed cab does. The issue of overexcursion and whatnot depends on the tuning frequency, the strength and pitch of the lower fundamentals coming from the bass, and other things. I think this should be left out as a proper explanation would be long and not really appropriate here, especially considering most bass cabs are BR anyway. I may cut this stuff out but I don't know if Natmor is done yet. --Howdybob 16:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DI's

Many bassists plug right into the mixer for recording or sound reinforcement, as opposed to guitarists who almost always use mic'd speakers as a part of their sound. This should be mentioned somewhere in the article. --Howdybob 11:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Last para of lede

What is this actually saying? Anything -- or nothing?--Light current 00:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Question on sealed cabs.

Article says:

When a bass speaker is built into a completely sealed cabinet, the cabinets use the trapped volume of air to act as a 'spring' or cushion for the bass speaker. These designs require more amplifier power to produce low-frequency sounds, because the speaker has to overcome the force of the air pressure in the cabinet and there is no reinforcement of the output of the speaker cones. This design is less common due to the need for very high output in live music venues.

Does anyone know roughly how much less efficient a sealed cab is than a refex of equivalent internal volume in the bottom couple of octaves? (Or how much more power is needed for same loudness)--Light current 15:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal: Break out Guitar-dedicated articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Distortion#Proposed_Article_Titles_and_Changes

The refactoring is in-progress. MichaelSHoffman 03:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The refactoring is done. MichaelSHoffman 08:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Small bass cabs or combos

Anyone know of a small (prefereably lightweight) cab or combo (< 1 cu ft) that can reproduce the bottom string (E) on a bass with less than 3 dB loss? Im not particularly interested in very loud cabs. (90 dBA @ 1m would be ok)--Light current 23:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

The Bass effects article appears to overlap with Bass instrument amplification, and perhps really ought to be merged into the effects section. -- Whpq 17:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I support the merge suggested, for the reasons stated above. *Vendetta* (whois talk edits) 07:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I disagree with a merge...bass amplification is about the power and physics side of things (getting big speaker cone to move, dealing with air moving in big wooden box, etc.). Bass effects is about the electronic signal side, where you are changing the signal with transistors and computer chips...Nazamo 19:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

--Warren-pa 18:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC) I disagree with merging this article. Bass effects involve signal processing not signal amplification. As I am a bass player who uses some FX I would be happy to help maintain the FX topic.

Disagree with the merge. Amplification and effects, while both being forms of signal manipulation, are completely different in their execution. Nobody would call an amplifier an effect (though there are amplifier simulation effects). Likewise, it would be difficult to call an effect amplification, even if amplification is achieved with use of the effect (ie. boost or EQ pedal).Brady Clarke 14:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manufacturers of bass amplifiers or loudspeakers list

Harmony Central lists about 150 manufacturers, so this list has the potential to become unwieldy. Could we take another approach? / edgarde 21:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)