Talk:Bass-baritone

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Contents 1 typical roles 2 Famous pop singers and their range 3 Some baritione roles included? 4 Missing the point

[edit] typical roles

Arlington (Wakonda's Dream) I dont know this piece; why does the link discribe this role as bass? Bijou (Le postillon de Lonjumeau) again, not well-known rep... Bottom (A Midsummer Night's Dream) I think of this, as well as Doctor Bartolo (Il barbiere di Siviglia) as buffo roles, not particularly calling for a Wotan. Don Basilio (Il barbiere di Siviglia) (usually cast as a bass, however, with La calunnia transposed to C) OK Don Giovanni (Don Giovanni) These next three do not belong. Don Magnifico (La Cenerentola) Escamillo (Carmen) Figaro (Le nozze di Figaro)  ??? Méphistophélès (La damnation de Faust) baritone; I'm not sure BB is required to provide the nessesary malice Nick Shadow (The Rake's Progress) lowest note is a Bb, isnt it? Porgy (Porgy and Bess) maybe The Dutchman (Der fliegende Holländer) Wolfram von Eschenbach (Tannhäuser) Wotan (Der Ring des Nibelungen) Of course; I wonder abiout Sachs

A role that perhaps should be added is Vodnik in Dvorak's Rusalka Boris St. Francis Le Grand Macabre is a baritone, but sung to great effect by Willard White

70.143.77.12 08:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the upper range may be inaccurate on some of these vocal range pages; basso says that range generally rises to the E above middle C (although the image shows a D), bass-baritone to the F#, and baritone only to the F? Keppa 20:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Specifically, the claim that the voice must have an effective range up to the F#...if bass-baritone is an intermediary register between baritone (to E4) and bass (to C4) it should be somewhere in between. I'm a baritone myself, and I don't sing up to an F#. Obviously timbre is the main factor here, not range, but it seems like the average range of a bass-baritone should be lower than that of a baritone. Keppa 03:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous pop singers and their range

Someone deleted the whole section of pop singers citing WP:OR policy so I decided to restore it for further research on my user page: Doxent 16:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix was not a bass-baritone. He did have a dark quality to his voice that made it sound low, but he generally sang in a high register. The best instance I can think of his the clear B4 that he hits in 'All Along the Watchtower', coming out of the bridge. This is a note firmly in the high tenor range, and even though he is effectively screaming it, it still discounts him as a bass-baritone. Timmerbo 25 October 2006

No it doesn't. That note is easily belted by any baritone with a trained upper register.--I'll bring the food (Talk - Contribs - My Watchlist) 21:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some baritione roles included?

I was wondering whether including baritone roles which can be sung by bass-baritones (Ex. Scarpia from Tosca) should be included. Doublea 03:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing the point

I think what people are picking knits here on technical quantifiable aspects of voice typing. Specifics of range are only a very small part of what determines a voice's fach or type. The color or the voice or timbre as well as where the passagio lies, and what comfortable tesssituras are are all important factors. The voice faching is an arbitrary thing, and most voices of real note and greatness will fall into a half a dozen fachs. Likewise you will find professionals who will disagree on what to classify a specific voice, where they might agree on the actual roles that they should sing. weisthaup —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weisthaup (talk • contribs) 19:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)