Talk:Baseball metaphors for sex

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[edit] Euphemism

This should not redirect to Baseball euphemism, as a metaphor is not the same as a euphamism, and baseball metaphors are much broader and more widely applicable than the more specific and explicitly sexual baseball euphamism. I do not know what belongs here, but it is not a euphamism. --The reverend 02:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with this article. It is a bit of cultural knowledge, and widely used. also, yes, it IS a euphemism. -zuckling 68.146.164.242 13:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations?

Who put the citations thing there? As I know, euphamisms that have existed in common knowledge for generations don't usually have an easy-to-find source. Look it up yourself, instead of sticking up a box and making it everyone else's problem.

And a article that entirely revolves around facts which are nearly impossible to source should not, in general, be on Wikipedia. See Verifiability. --WikkiTikkiTavi 04:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the changing to "euphemism" By no means are these metaphors. Also, 1/2 of these are made up, guys.

The first two people are right, because, if you're too young to know what these mean, you shouldn't be reading this anyways, so why is this on Wikipedia?My Page 02:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bllasae (talk • contribs)

[edit] Elements made up

Can an expert of these metaphors remove those that are never used? There are way too many elements in the list like if someone wanted to make a metaphor with every single baseball term. Canjth 13:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

This is just like those lists of "100 Things to Do in Wal-Mart", it's supposed to be funny. Does it belong on Wikipedia? Maybe, I have no probelm with it, infact I printed off a copy to show my buddies.

I think that noting that some of them were created simply for comedic effect (rather than actually being common slang or euphemisms) will suffice. Justin Eiler 17:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Elements that are made up should not be on a Wikipedia page, period. This article cannot be both a serious encyclocpedic entry on the topic and a comedy riff on it. Maybe some of these made-up terms would work out well at Uncyclopedia. But why are we leaving them here? I'm inclined to move a whole bunch of them to the talk page at the very least, but since I'm new to this page, I'll hang back and see if anyone makes a case for leaving them in. --WikkiTikkiTavi 04:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expert?

Is it necessary to have references in popular culture? It's a fairly common saying, that'd be like trying to reference "bling bling". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.147.183 (talk) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the recent adding the "needing an expert tag", I don't think someone can be an "expert" on baseball metaphors for sex. It should be either removed, or replaced with an alternate tag. UnDeRsCoRe 01:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I mean that someone who knows which ones are actually used and the ones that are entirely made up should come and delete the ones that are never user. There are too many elements in the list. It's like if someone wanted to make a metaphor with every single baseball term. I know it is not really an "expert" but it's the best tag possible. Canjth 02:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

True, I understand now. Also though, most of these are fake and are not actually real. Clean up? UnDeRsCoRe 02:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, cleanup is necessary and go ahead if you want to change the
expert needing tag by a cleanup tag. I think cleanup should begin by eliminating all the euphemisms below rain delay (they look ridiculous...) and should continue as we would get opinions from other people. Canjth 21:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I concur with the flow of discussion here, but I respectfully suggest that the problem goes beyond mere cleanup to more fundamental questions about the encyclopedic nature of the article and the importance of the topic. I want to be respectful of the individual(s) who've worked on this page, but I suggest nominating the page for deletion entirely. --WikkiTikkiTavi 17:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
No. Baseball metaphors for sex are an important part of English language culture in North America and Wikipedia needs an article about it. I suggest, as a compromise, to remove all metaphors except the "traditional" four bases. What do you think of that? Canjth 21:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that removing all but the traditional four bases would be a big help and quite possibly salvage the article, if sources can be found for what remains. Do you think that the assertions about the traditional four bases can indeed be properly verified? An article can be on a worthwhile topic but still be unacceptable for Wikipedia if it relies on original research or hearsay. --WikkiTikkiTavi 02:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Look at this source: [1] I'm not sure if it is reliable but it is one. Go ahead if you want to remove all the metaphors except the traditional four bases. However, I think that some of the first on the list could remain there (i.e. strikeout, ejection, inside the park home run...) but they could be deleted anyway to avoid the re-addition of other original research content. I wouldn't want this article to be deleted. Canjth 13:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be consensus for replacing the Expert tag with Cleanup, and I have done so. --WikkiTikkiTavi 03:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to raise the issue of the reliability of the source used (the how to raise your teen one, citation number 4). Books like that are not academic works, and often rely on the author's personal anecdotes, not on studies of actual attitudes and popular definitions. Of particular concern to me is the phrase "oral sex is widely regarded as the new 3rd base", which does not seem to match up with common conceptions of 3rd base even among youth. More common seems to be that third base might include oral sex, but also might not. One of the problems with things like baseball sex metaphors is that definitions are not fixed and are constantly in flux. If the source is not a reliable academic one, then either a different reliable source should be put up or a source that doesn't rely on one person's anecdotes (urban dictionary might be a more reliable source since the focus is on a popular definition), or it should be made clear that these metaphors can include different things to different people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.237.230 (talk) 02:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Questionable Additions

Since no one has objected to Canjth's compromise suggestion in the previous discussion section, I've moved all the "nontraditional" items off the article page and posted them below. If we end up not keeping them, the list below should probably be deleted. Feel free to dispute this edit by discussing it here, but please respect the process and participate in the discussion, rather than blindly reverting. My rationale for removing this chunk of content is that this material is unsourced, unfocused, a sprawling list, and largely made up of terms which many editors suspected were really just jokes. None of these traits should characterize a Wikipedia article. I'm not saying there could never be serious expansion of this article with more terms, but doing so is going to take a lot more work than just starting an unsourced list based entirely on hearsay or original research. I don't mean to sound grumpy or denigrate the interest other editors have for this article; in fact, I am trying to help salvage it from being deleted by much more experienced editors or admins who would very likely frown on (if not scowl at) the article in its most previous form. --WikkiTikkiTavi 03:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reprint of Removed Content

A number of other baseball related euphemisms and variations on the original metaphor exist.

  • Fifth Base is anal intercourse.
  • A Strikeout occurs when there is no success at all. Striking out looking means no success because one did not try to "get on base" and striking out swinging means the partner refused any attempts.
  • An Ejection occurs when there is no success as a result of becoming "just friends".
  • A Two Run Homer is sexual intercourse two times in one night.
  • A Three Run Homer is sexual intercourse three times in one night.
  • A Grand slam is sexual intercourse four or more times in one night (sometimes sexual intercourse after knowing the other person for only one day) or anal sex.
  • An inside the park home run is a non-intercourse orgasm resulting from dry humping (clothed genital to genital stimulation).
  • A Walk is a goodnight kiss, celebratory kiss, or any other kind of non-romantic kiss.
  • A Hit by pitch is a non consensual kiss
  • Batting practice refers to masturbation.
  • Swinging your bat refers to masturbation.
  • A Balk is premature ejaculation.
  • An unearned run is when a person has sexual intercourse while drunk, and later regrets it.
  • Batting for the other team/Switch hitting refers to homosexuality or bisexuality.
  • Scoring is sexual intercourse.
  • The pitcher is the active or top partner in (especially homosexual) anal sex or sexual intercourse.
  • The catcher is the passive receiver or bottom partner in (especially homosexual) anal sex or sexual intercourse.
  • A ground rule double is accidentally fondling, especially breasts when falling on a girl.
  • Stealing a base means advancing to the next "base" prior to consent.
  • Stealing home means rape.
  • Picked off a base means being refused any more "bases" because of perceived lack of skill or ability.
  • Thrown out at the plate occurs when intercourse is refused at the last moment as a result of, for example: physical appearance in the nude, not having a condom, or inability to obtain or maintain an erection.
  • A Rain delay is the postponing of a date/romantic encounter, typically as a result of menstruation, but also from unforseeable circumsances (mood, headache, parents, etc.).
  • Being called up from the Minors is having a sexual encounter while not of legal age.
  • A slumpbuster is having a sexual encounter with someone who you are not attracted to, for the sole purpose of getting back in the "game".
  • Bunting for a hit means an attempt by a person to seduce one perceived as uglier so as to "get back in the game"
  • A Walk off Grand Slam—a satisyfing one-time sexual encounter, as in a one-night stand.
  • Breaking up two is when a jealous rival prevents you from turning a double play.
  • A Corked bat is when a man takes performance enhancing drugs.
  • A double switch is an attempt by a man to change the point of penetration, without warning the female.
  • A sacrifice fly is when a person performs oral sex on a second person, allowing the second person have an orgasm, while the first person often experiences discomfort due to their partners pubic hair and or body odor, especially true when the second person doesn't reciprocate as promised.
  • The Infield Fly Rule is when there is an unequal ratio of males to females at a party, and a member of the gender with more members leaves to create an equal ratio.
  • Pine tar is semen or lubricant
  • Charging the mound is when two males fight over a desired female, who was flirting with both men.
  • A hidden ball trick is when a man tucks his penis behind his legs.
  • Taking one for the team is involving oneself in a sexual act for the benefit of one's friends or associates, such as sexual intercourse with a less attractive woman in order for one's friends to attract another woman.
  • A Sacrifice Bunt starts out as taking one for the team, but you don't do anything while your friend gets laid.
  • A shortstop is between second base and third, usually referring to an act of manual stimulation leading to orgasm.
  • A Line drive is when a man ejaculates on a woman's face.
  • Batting Around the Order is an orgy.
  • Hitting for the Cycle is when one guy sleeps with all of the girls that live in one location (e.g. 2, 3, or 4 room apartments) Or if he doesn’t sleep with all of them but one and gets to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd base with the others.
  • A Relief Pitcher is using a sex toy to finish when you obviously can't make the play.
  • A Fielder's choice when one guy gets to first base, only to be rejected due to a friend's dumb move.
  • The phrase "if there's grass on the field, play ball!" commonly refers to how young a girl should be to have intercourse. Another take on it is "if there's no grass on the field, play in the mud!"
  • A Batboy is one who has never reached first base. (see American Pie)

It should be noted that many of these euphemisms were created for comedic effect, and may not be commonly used.

  • ... or, indeed, documented. Although they can be found on web pages such as this one that are explicitly labelled as jokes, they are not actually documented as being real anywhere. None of the sources that I have found even mention them. Uncle G 15:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stealing

Is it common slang to refer to a situation where one partner (usually the male in a heterosexual relationship) wants to move along the bases too quickly as "Stealing". TonyTheTiger 23:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I did not scroll down and see the removed content. TonyTheTiger 23:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of UK content

I've removed the unsourced "in the U.K." content. Although I've found sources from the United States and from Australia, I've yet to come across a single source from the U.K., let alone one that supports that content. The entire paragraph appears to have been based upon a misunderstanding, anyway. According to the sources, the addition of oral sex is not a variation between countries, but a variation over time. It is something that has changed since the 1960s. Uncle G 17:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

those euphemisms are used all around the world.. not only usa and australia, i live in costa rica and some people use them over here -betoelbicho

[edit] U.S. Centred

I would think that this would mostly be a USA, based concept due to the popularity of baseball for instance, should the article be edited to account for this, e.g. instead of: "often used", "often used in the United States"... cyclosarin 17:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Anal Sex

I always thought instead of the fifth base, anal sex was 'getting in the dugout'?

Regardless, the hoop earring and testicles nonsense is probably, well, just that. I'm getting rid of it. 134.82.133.146 (talk) 07:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Orrrr someone else will while I'm bumbling around in here. Testimony to the tireless efficiency of Wikipedia editors! 134.82.133.146 (talk) 07:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Combat and war"

I've removed a passage claiming that the baseball metaphor is an "one of several images of combat and war" used by men to understand sex. This statement is inaccurate even on its face as baseball is neither combat nor war.