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[edit] South Korea and Taiwan
It is somewhat conventional to use South Korea (or ROK) and Taiwan as a paranthetical to clarify who they are. Not everyone knows who Chinese Taipei is and using South Korea clarifies who they are vis a vis the north. It is a sensible convention, and I insist that it be used on this page as it has been used on other Asian baseball related pages and Asian games pages. Ludahai 06:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think (Taiwan) should be placed behind Chinese Taipei as everybody knows that they are actually Taiwan, while those who don't know will find out why and how it happened to be this way as soon as they click on it to find out what Chinese Taipei is. SportsAddicted | discuss 08:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Lets use how the organizers name them. Like in soccer, Ireland is labeled as "Republic of Ireland" while South Korea is "Korea Republic." --Howard the Duck 09:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. Most people DO NOT know who Chinese Taipei is. Also, we don't use China PR or Iran IR, which we would were we consistent. I see nothing wrong with using commonly understood terms, which includes using Taiwan alongside Chinese Taipei. Ludahai 01:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Although I will agree that most people don't know what Chinese Taipei is, but nobody knows what "Korea Republic" was, and I told them its "South Korea," I'd rather see the names as billed by the sporting event, or how the press named them. I'd rather have the format {Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) ans Korea Republic (South Korea). --Howard the Duck 03:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think we should name them by the names the organisation is giving them as well. I don't think placing the other name between ( and ) is necessary. When they look for Chinese Taipei when they don't know about it, the will find the information anyways. That's what an encyclopedia is for. SportsAddicted | discuss 07:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I am not arguing against using Chinese Taipei (though I hate its use) and Korea, BUT for clarity, we should use the parentetical. Not everyone (I would wager most) will NOT click on the link for Chinese Taipei, and see - oh, it's Taiwan. Ludahai 09:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm, so does that mean you want to change that into each and every article that has a link to Chinese Taipei on it? I mean, if you do it at one place, you should do it all over Wikipedia. You can try it, but personally I don't think you will be able to reach a concensus. When I can choose I would just name them Chinese Taipei, however, I don't mind having (Taiwan) next to it, but in that case you should change it all over wikipedia, not just here. SportsAddicted | discuss 18:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Where I see it, I do change it. However, too many people on here unquestionly accept Beijing's line on this whole issue, that they don't seem to care that most Taiwanese are not happy with this, or that a large number of readers have no idea what Chinese Taipei really is. Ludahai 02:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Its not only Chinese Taipei thar has to have a different name in a sporting event, there's South Korea, Ireland, the 2 Congos, etc. I'd prefer to use Chinese Taipei since it is the IOC standard. --Howard the Duck 03:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- I know lots of Taiwanese people aren't happy with this situation, but what can I do about it? The name Chinese Taipei is indeed used by the IOC in international sports events and that's why they are named like that on wikipedia. Here you have everything that links directly to Chinese Taipei. But there are however also articles linking to articles as Chinese Taipei national football team and things like that, but this link should help you a lot by finding the links to Chinese Taipei. SportsAddicted | discuss 07:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- You don't need to tell me about the Chinese Taipei situation. I LIVE in Taiwan. However, using Taiwan as a paranthetical is completely appropriate. Unless you propose to use the official IOC designation for EVERY country, which is NOT done. This is only insisted upon in the case of Taiwan. Ludahai 01:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- LOL, I know you live in Taiwan, I was just agreeing to your statement, but I do disagree with the paranthetical, however I don't mind that much, but there are people who insist more on definately using just Chinese Taipei and noting but Chinese Taipei. SportsAddicted | discuss 08:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- This conversation has been taken to the main Asian Games discussion page where I have just picked apart the sole advocate's position on the sole use of Chinese Taipei. Ludahai 09:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- LOL, I know you live in Taiwan, I was just agreeing to your statement, but I do disagree with the paranthetical, however I don't mind that much, but there are people who insist more on definately using just Chinese Taipei and noting but Chinese Taipei. SportsAddicted | discuss 08:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- You don't need to tell me about the Chinese Taipei situation. I LIVE in Taiwan. However, using Taiwan as a paranthetical is completely appropriate. Unless you propose to use the official IOC designation for EVERY country, which is NOT done. This is only insisted upon in the case of Taiwan. Ludahai 01:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- I know lots of Taiwanese people aren't happy with this situation, but what can I do about it? The name Chinese Taipei is indeed used by the IOC in international sports events and that's why they are named like that on wikipedia. Here you have everything that links directly to Chinese Taipei. But there are however also articles linking to articles as Chinese Taipei national football team and things like that, but this link should help you a lot by finding the links to Chinese Taipei. SportsAddicted | discuss 07:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Its not only Chinese Taipei thar has to have a different name in a sporting event, there's South Korea, Ireland, the 2 Congos, etc. I'd prefer to use Chinese Taipei since it is the IOC standard. --Howard the Duck 03:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Where I see it, I do change it. However, too many people on here unquestionly accept Beijing's line on this whole issue, that they don't seem to care that most Taiwanese are not happy with this, or that a large number of readers have no idea what Chinese Taipei really is. Ludahai 02:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm, so does that mean you want to change that into each and every article that has a link to Chinese Taipei on it? I mean, if you do it at one place, you should do it all over Wikipedia. You can try it, but personally I don't think you will be able to reach a concensus. When I can choose I would just name them Chinese Taipei, however, I don't mind having (Taiwan) next to it, but in that case you should change it all over wikipedia, not just here. SportsAddicted | discuss 18:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I am not arguing against using Chinese Taipei (though I hate its use) and Korea, BUT for clarity, we should use the parentetical. Not everyone (I would wager most) will NOT click on the link for Chinese Taipei, and see - oh, it's Taiwan. Ludahai 09:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think we should name them by the names the organisation is giving them as well. I don't think placing the other name between ( and ) is necessary. When they look for Chinese Taipei when they don't know about it, the will find the information anyways. That's what an encyclopedia is for. SportsAddicted | discuss 07:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Although I will agree that most people don't know what Chinese Taipei is, but nobody knows what "Korea Republic" was, and I told them its "South Korea," I'd rather see the names as billed by the sporting event, or how the press named them. I'd rather have the format {Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) ans Korea Republic (South Korea). --Howard the Duck 03:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. Most people DO NOT know who Chinese Taipei is. Also, we don't use China PR or Iran IR, which we would were we consistent. I see nothing wrong with using commonly understood terms, which includes using Taiwan alongside Chinese Taipei. Ludahai 01:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Lets use how the organizers name them. Like in soccer, Ireland is labeled as "Republic of Ireland" while South Korea is "Korea Republic." --Howard the Duck 09:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Runs allowed per nine innings
Guys, if you put in this stat, please remember that it is per NINE innings of defensive baseball played. For example, Thailand only played EIGHT innings of DEFENSIVE baseball, so they don't get credit for nine innings because China did not come to bat in the ninth inning. Ludahai 09:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citations
Please stop the rediculous requests for citations. It is obvious by looking at the table, results, and upcoming games. ludahai 魯大海 08:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
- Looking at the table and drawing your own conclusions is original research. --Howard the Duck 10:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
