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Iranian languages map

Please go color in the Azeri, Turkmen, Arab, and Qashqai areas on the Iranian languages map Persian, because I sure wont, and they all do also speak Persian. If you are not willing to do that, then remove the image showing Kurds and Gilani's as speaking a Turkic language. Here is the map: [1]Azerbaijani 00:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing to "look into" as Kurds and Gilani's do not speak Turkic langauges as their mother tongues. Either change the Iranian languages map your revert yourself on the Turkic languages page. Also, we never said that Persian architecture had the most influence on Ottoman architecture, that is something you made up in your head, we simplywanted Persian architecture to be recognized as an influence.Azerbaijani 01:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Timurids

Could you have a look at the Timurids article please? Thanks.

Hrant Dink ve düşündürdükleri

Talk sayfasını daha fazla işgal etmemek için buraya yazıyorum.

"Hepimiz Kürdüz" dense ne olacak? Seni, beni, Hepimiz Kürdüz demeye götürebilecek kadar can acıtıcı bir şey olması lazım bunun denmesi için. Millet kavramının oldukça yeni bir social construct olduğunu sen söylüyorsun. Sadece bu social construct yüzünden kolay kolay ülke bölünmesi olmaz, istisnası, birlikteki bireysel çıkar ve refahın, bölünmüşlükteki bireysel çıkar ve refahtan daha az olması halidir. Bugün, toplam pastadan aldıkları ve verdiklerinin bilançosu güneydoğuya güzelce anlatılıp ondan sonra (mümkün değil çünkü kimin Kürt olduğu belli değil, ama mümkün olduğunu farzedelim) referanduma gidilse kimse yerinden kıpırdamaz. İngiltere, İskoçya'nın bağımsızlık isteğine karşı tam da bunu yaptı.

İşin komik tarafı, ilgili nüfusların artış hızları göz önüne alınırsa, yeteri kadar beklenilir ise, Kürt nüfus bir gün çoğunluk olacak TR'de. İnşallah o zamana kadar belli bir miktar problem çözülmüş olur çünkü Kürt'lerin hoşgörü ve empati konusunda bizden çok daha geriden geldiklerini düşünüyorum. Daha az şehirli bir toplum.

Buradaki yazılarda, Mossad'dan CIA'ye kadar bu cinayetin sorumluları aranıyor bazen. Veya izole bir örgüt. Bizim problemimiz değil deme ihtiyacındayız. Anlaşılabilir bir tepki tabii, ama ah, empati eksikliğini de örneklemese o kadar berbat şekilde.

Yıllar yılı her Ermeni lafı geçtiğinde diken diken edelim ortalığı, Apo'ya hakaret olarak Ermeni dölü lafını uygun görelim, ne Baba Hamparsum'dan bahsedelim, ne şarkıları halen bol bol TRT'de çalınan Tatyos Efendi'den, sonra da çocuğun neden Ermeni'yi vurmak ihtiyacı hissettiğini şaşırarak dinleyelim. Hep kötüyü anlatmak zorunda değildik. Ermeni=şeytan denklemini oluşturan bu toplum. Artin Penik de başka bir sonucu idi bu denklemin. Oluşmuş denklemi kullananlar çıktı diye kızıyoruz.

Birileri Diyanet'in web sitesinde gayrımüslimlere rahmet dilenmeyeceğini, toprağı bol olsun denmesi gerektiğini bulmuş, Diyanet baş sayfadan tekzip yayınlıyor, biz bunu bu cinayetin akabinde yayınlamadık, eskiden beri vardı diye. Eh.. Ne deyim? Papa camide dua etti diye dünyalar bizim oldu, ama oradaki inceliği anlamadık. Müslümanları kitap ehli görmeyen bir ruhani liderin, doktrin gereği aslında yok farzetmesi gereken bir dinin mabedine girip, orayı mabed olarak gördüğünü göstererek oranın kutsalına doğru dua etmesi ince bir kabuldur. "Allah rahmet eylesin" Türkçe bir deyim. Tabii Allah'ın rahmeti müminlerin üzerine olsun kavramından kaynaklanır ve mümin olmayanlara söylenmez bu nedenle. Aş bunu, rahmet müminlerin üzerine olmasın diye de demiyor kitabın, yorumdan ibaret. Olmaz. Biz bunu şimdi demedik, bizi böyle lanse edenleri kınıyoruz. E, hiç demeseydin be kardeşim, madem demişsin, rahatsız edici olduğunun da farkındasın, bari şimdi rahmet dileyiver.

Toplum olarak bu kadar empati eksikliğimiz olduğunu bu olaya kadar farketmemiştim.

Bu, iç ve dış mihrak meselesi artık canımı sıkıyor. Niye dersen, aynaya bakma, kendi bilançonu çıkarma, kendi iç hesaplaşmanı yapma ve dolayısıyla bir şeyleri düzeltme yolunu tıkıyor. Bu, zor fakat aynı zamanda da iyileşme getirebilecek bir şey. Öbür türlüsü çok daha kolay. Irak ve İran'la komşu olmamızdan bahsediyorsun. Bölücülük virüsü mü koyuyorlar rüzgara? Barut fıçısını ben koydum, dış güçler de buna kurşun atıp patlamaya yol açtı, sorumlusu ben değilim. Koyma kardeşim barut fıçısını. Patlamaz o zaman... Başkalarının empati eksikliğini örneklemek de çözüm değil, özeleştiriden vazgeçme yolundan başka bir şey getirmiyor.

Lafım sana değil, "sen" hitaplarım kişisel değil. Biraz uzun oldu, kusura bakma. --Free smyrnan 23:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

tryingto straighten out templates

Hi Barış I thimk it's great that you have created an infobox for Turkish provinces.But it should not contain regions as they are not officially recognise.There are no official regions in Turkey.

I hope youget the other template wğrking soon Dear both - the regionsmay be popular with the users of google but the Turkish postal system has no recognition of them at all. Refer to them by all means but don't put them as a category above the province in a hierarchy. Keep up the good work Istanbuljohnm 21:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)Istanbuljohnm 10:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Re

Hi! You may be right, but I thought this was not so nice English. But I'll think again about it, and, if there are reservations about the title by other users as well, I'll revise it.--Yannismarou 07:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh! And thanks for the congratulations! I have made clear that during the first months I'll be very conservative with the use of tools and that I'm open to recall. Having these in mind, I'm willing to help, in cases you need me and you think I can help!--Yannismarou 08:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Placenames

Hi. I have seen u removing the Greek name from Lapseki, Bandırma, Çanakkale. I would like to remind you this. These towns were founded and their original name was Greek; also, under that name they were (and in some languages still are) known for millenia. In addition, there are places in modern Greece having the name "Nea Lampsakos" and "Panormos" established by Greek refugees from Asia Minor after 1923. This, as an answer to your edit edit summary, which has no actual base and I challege u to present me info proving "strong connection" and of the same historic significance for having the Turkish names in Thasos, Astypalaia, Symi. I will revert the articles back, hoping that u will not continue the edit war. Hectorian 10:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

If there is an etymology section and if there are more than one historic name, feel free to move them further down. People of a nation founded these cities, and this nation was the Greeks; Ancient or Modern, its irrelevant, cause it is about the same nation. If u want the Ancient Greek names, its simple: Greek Λάμψακος, Greek Πάνορμος (oooops, it is the same! strange huh?). I will right away write the names of these 3 places in polytonic. Anyway, I am expecting the correction of the articles Thasos, Astypalaia, Symi, etc... The Turkish name shall be in the Arabic script and explain why it is notable. If not, I will remove it. Hectorian 11:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no reason to disagree with u. If u want etymology sections, lets have them:). What made me say "Alors, c'est la guerre" (revert-, I mean:)...) was that u did not talk before making these changes, despite the lengthy discussions, persistent anons and permabanned users and revert-edit-wars that this issue has caused. As for Thasos, I moved the Turkish name in the history section. It may be close to Western Thrace, but it does not have any Turkish-speaking population; I do not know if it had in the past (many Aegean islands had remained Greek-speaking all along), but even if it did, they were not excluded from the population exchange, so... Anyway, I hope these articles will be expanded some day. Maybe the little revert-war that we got involved in, had a positive effect: pushing editors to be interested in them:). As for the Ottoman Turkish name, it must be provided, since this was the name used and written by the then rules and the then Turkish inhabitants. Also, if we are about to use the name in another language only when there exists population speaking that, then Alexandroupoli, Orestiada and Didymoteicho should not have the Turkish name; despite their proximity to Turkey, they do not have Muslim, Turkish or Turskish-speaking population. Ciao Hectorian 11:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I reverted u in Istanbul. The city has a Greek minority. Hectorian 11:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem:). As for Istanbul, if the Greek name will be removed from the lead, I see no reason of having the Turkish name in any place of Western Thrace. Sorry, but for me both cases are identical, despite post '50s events. Hectorian 11:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The idea of having a separate article of the place names is a good idea. It feels hard to keep it working. OttomanReference 01:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your greeting message on my Ip and my account (I seldom use this account, I'm very active on the french WP). I want to make things clear with you. If I'm trying to push for the deletion of this article about this turkish writer, it's only because it looks like a huge autopromo (he has as many interwikis as Orhan Pamuk, and all created in a few months using usernames "appropriated" for the country, like Ademusset in France, Gheorgehagi in Romanian...). He also added his name at the date of birth, the year of birth 1965, not only on en and fr WP but on all the 31 WP. It's been for him a 2 month work, and if you check the turkish article it looks like his contibution under his own name was also disputed when he created the article on late october. If I'm doing that, it's only to prevent WP from becoming a free add campaign for people like him, that had possibly 20 google hits before and now end up with hundreds for some commercial reason (may be he's trying to find an editor abroad? I do not know and I do not care).

On the other hand, I have really nothing against Turkey in general (and by far). I've been 4 times and in many places of this wonderful country, really one of my favorite. And I've seen the here you've been doing massive contributions that I intend to read.

Hope now that you understand better my point. See you. Clem23 12:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OR on Talk pages

Postings on Talk pages that attempt to use it as a general discussion forum or propose minority theories without reference to peer-reviewed scholarship are routinely deleted on IE articles. No reason not to do so here, the author thinks that the Talk page is a "discussion forum" (his words), shows no interest in editing the article, and makes personal attacks against those who disagree with him. CRCulver 13:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Whether you like it or not, unqualified people like Dr. MK need to be scared away from editing WP until such time as each article can be moved to an off-site location like Citizendium. As I do so and remove each page from my Watchlist, have some patient. Why are you rushing to the defence of an entirely unqualified editor posting nonsense? CRCulver 13:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Turkey FA intro

Hi Baris, I know there was some discussion on changing the FA intro to Turkey, so I went ahead and changed it:

Turkey is a Eurasian country that stretches across the Anatolian peninsula in southwestern Asia and the Balkan region of southeastern Europe. Turkey is a democratic, secular and constitutional republic whose political system was established in 1923 under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk following the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of World War I. Since then, Turkey has increasingly integrated with the West while continuing to foster relations with the Eastern world. Turkey played an important role in the Cold War as part of NATO's bulwark against Soviet enroachment into southern Europe, and in 2005 began accession negotiations with the European Union. Turkey is a predominantly Muslim country, which owing to its strategic location at the intersect of two continents, has afforded it a unique culture steeped in Eastern and Western tradition, often described as a bridge between the two civilizations. More...

What do you think? Feel free to edit or revert back to original if you wish. Cheers, --A.Garnet 16:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

Thanks for the advice, yeah your right it would be easier to use the short one instead of writing the long one thanks. ROOB323 19:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Featured picture adaylığı

Merhaba; daha tecrübeli olduğun ve benim gibi yenilere yardım ettiğin için danışayım dedim. Kendim çektim diye demiyorum [ :) ] ama Hrant Dink'in cenazesindeki panoramik fotoğraf bence WikiProject Turkey için ikinci bir featured picture olabilir gibi geldi. Vikipedi'de bunu için bir adaylık koymuşlar zaten ve açıkçası onur duydum. Belki burada da olabilir diye düşündüm. Ama hem yeni olduğum için hem resim bana ait olduğu için bu kadar atak ve cüretkar olmak istemedim. Fikrin nedir?

Request

I had a bad day today, and I don't want to get into another edit war over Greco-Turkish placenames. Therefore, I would like it if we could hold-off from reverting just for now, until we can come to some sort of solution. I don't really see the Selânik page as a solution, because most articles don't have it that way. The famous Gdańsk solution was to have the names at the top for example. Khoikhoi 01:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

PGG resolution attempt

Hi Baris, an attempt has just begun to resolve the Pontian Greek Genocide dispute through an arbitration committee. Since you have mediated there before, could you please voice your support or objection to such a measure here. Thanks, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A.Garnet (talk • contribs) 16:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

The Ildan case

Hello again, Baristarim. Thank you for your support. As one user said on my norweigan talk page: "this guy launched one of the most incredible spam event that I've ever seen on WP". As a sign of my respect for the people and literature of Turkey (and to prove that my actions only were intended to prevent spam, and had no intended bias), I am considering to write an article on Yasar Kemal in the norwegian wp. Would you approve that? Could you also suggest one or two other writers, artists or other turkish people that currently is missing in wp:no; check no:Kategori:Tyrkere and its subcategories for existing biographies in norwegian. --Orland 16:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello Banistarim. I want to thank you very much for your contribution to the french debate. I'm glad that you understood our point, and sad that the page suppression debate still turns around very nasty and smelly debates (fortunately the vandalisms from both sides have been quickly reverted). Can I ask you something? If possible, can you give your opinion about the deletion process of the article about Yurdanur Salman. I think your opinion matters really much, even though Vitogenovese already gave us an insight. Thanks in advance. Clem23 22:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

PonticGreekGenocide

Could you start to produce some sources for a differnt name? Wandalstouring 23:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti

Baristarim merhaba, Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti maddesine bir el atsan iyi olacak. Gerekli düzenlemelerin ardından bir güzel madde adayı olabilir. Ayrıca neden bir Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti portalı ve VikiProjesi olmasın. Ben daha çok Türkçe vikideyim orada açtık portal, vikiproje Kolay gelsin. İyi çalışmalar.--Absar 11:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Turkey -- new paragraph

You seem to have an interesting concept of the three revert rule: I have added a new paragraph and addition has been supported by other wikipedians. You are the one who has been chopping it off. Furthermore, radicalisation of turkish youth is very relevant whatever the last thousand years of turkish culture were about. You are not the owner of this article and other wikipedians can contribute as long as they support their claims with objective references --Tedblack 16:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Economist, "Pocket World in Figures", 2007

In what way the inflation figure given for Turkey (page 40, Inflation, 2000-05) of 26.9% or 6th highest is 'inflated' ? --Tedblack 18:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Cestrus River

At 19:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC), you wrote: "Can you move it back to Aksu River? Over time more info has been added about the modern river as you had asked here [2]. I cannot do the move for some reason therefore I wanted to see if you could do it. Cheers!"

• Please don't move the article on the Cestrus River. There is another river in Khazakhstan with the same name, so that is why there is now a disambiguation page at Aksu River. The alternative, but little used name for the river in Khazakhstan is Aqsû. I will place the article about the Khazak river at Aqsû River. I added some of the modern material at Cestrus River, and hope to add a map some time this week, as soon as I get it drafted. --Bejnar 19:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can just move Cestrus River to Aksu River (Turkey) if that is the case. Would that be ok? I can update the dab page and take care of the double redirects easily. Cheers! Baristarim 19:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be fine. I think that the modern reference to it as a stream, rather than a river, see Çapraz, Soner and Arslan, Naime (2005) "The Oligochaeta (Annelida) Fauna of Aksu Stream (Antalya)" Turkish Journal of Zoology 29: pp. 229-236 and Aksu History may be a translation from Turkish issue. What do you think? --Bejnar 20:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

akarsuları seems just to mean running water or stream. --Bejnar 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the satellite image Antalya at Google maps it looks more like a river to me. So how about Aksu River, Turkey ? --Bejnar 21:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Good faith?

Please do not tell me anything about good faith, and do not tell me that you had not niticed this ... Tājik 21:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I AM A TROLL

THE TROLLS SHALL INHERIT WIKIPEDIA. YOU KNOW THIS WELL!--81.158.204.19 22:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, could be true :)) Anarchy is always possible... Baristarim 22:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Patriarch

Hi. I reverted the article to your version, "stealing your thunder" to revert it yourself:). I also added his full title; of course, u may add how the Turkish government calls him. His status among the Orthodox Churches is not in dispute. All the Orthodox Churches that recognize each other (autocephalous and autonomous) consider him their spiritual leader (primus inter pares); most of the other churches do not dispute his spiritual leadership, but remain not in full communion cause of various ethno-political-geostrategic reasons (e.g. Ukrainian Patriarchate). Also, the other Christian denominations do not dispute the Ecumenical Patriarch's role, as the spiritual leader of Orthodoxy and second figure of Christianity, after only the Pope of Rome: the Churches that accept the First Ecumenical council of Constantinople (381), accept his role (id est, all, apart from the Nontrinitarian churches, e.g. Mormons). Hectorian 23:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Turkey-Israel

Hi! I saw that you added that page, it was a great addition. I added a link (the first one), which should be very helpful. Also, I wanted to see if you were interested in fitting this in. Let me know. Thanks. --Shamir1 03:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

About Wikipedia-Turkey

Baris,

Hi, just saw your message. Sorry I didn't know your Turkish level so I am writing in English. I would like to help you guys about Turkey as my schedule allows :) I used to live in southern part (Adana) and graduated from METU (Ankara) so I can help you with those regions and other topics that I might have knowledge of. I am a newbie (just started yesterday) so I need some time to get efficient.

Feel free to message me,

Hakki

P.S. I should also edit my member page asap. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hakkiy (talk • contribs) 13:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

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Thanks for the message...

Hello Barış.

Thank you for the friendly message, it is indeed appreciated. I have been quite busy in "real life" recently (moved and changed job), so I haven't been so active here as usual. I noticed however that you did a very good job on quickly expanding the Hrant Dink article, as the streets of Istanbul were filled. Thank you, - so he deserved, along with the beautiful and decent funeral. Bertilvidet 20:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Baris

It's me, GreekWarrior, I am not accusing you of anything I think you are probably a decent person, but you have to understand that you reverted my edits on the PASOK page, why?

Thanks

Hullo, just a quick thank-you-note for the heads-up on Talk:Byzantine Greeks. It's always useful to know when another editor has a noxious agenda. Regards, --Javits2000 10:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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New Turkish user

Hi Baris, there's a new kid on the block, Offical (talk · contribs) - probably meaning well, but currently finding it difficult to settle in here. I've had to revert an awful lot of what he was doing, and he's probably soon going to get blocked for 3RR too. Could you watch him a bit and mentor him if necessary? Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Turkish-writer-stub

Dear Baristarim, I tried to create a new stub category for Turkish writers under the heading of European writers stub. However, there was something wrong and now it is not proper according to Wikipedia's criteria. I request your help with this stub catergory. Template:Turkish-writer-stub . CrashMex 18:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Location Maps

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, you had either explictly declared a general interest in the project, or had participated at a discussion that appears related to Location Maps for European countries.
New maps had been created by David Liuzzo, and are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), and also which new version should be applied for which countries.
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There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 7 Feb 2007 20:03 (UTC)

Richard Hovannisian

By the way when i use info or i reference his books, he's a historian/scholar, thats pretty reliable right? but the part about the looting, etc should have been re-written obviously just letting you know :) Nareklm 01:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Welcome back Baris. Whats happened in PG? Nothing. Greek editors refused to give it backing, making up a lot of bollocks as to why they cant support it. So even if we went ahead and arbitration gave a decision against the current title Greek editors would continue to revert it. So no advance there. Elsewhere pov-title added to 2004 Cypriot reunification referendum because Greek editors dont like the idea of GC's rejecting reunification, aristovolous making his usual pov edits across TRNC related articles, and massive "History of Iran" templates are being added across Turkic related articles e.g. Seljuq dynasty and Timurid Dynasty. I activated my email function a week or so ago btw. Thanks, --A.Garnet 22:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Template

I did not attack anyone. The user removed one template while leaving the other one, claiming taht it was against the "Turkishness of the article". This is unacceptable.

And I have explained it 4 or 5 times today: the current template is under contruction, and there is consensus among us to split the template:

• one single template about the pre-modern history of Greater Iran, from pre-history up to the Afsharid dynasty ... and
• ... for the modern history o fthe region seperated templates for the different nation-states that emerged on the soil of Greater Iran

And as you can see on the talk oage, there is also a consensus to re-name the template to "History of the Iranian Cultural Continent" which is deffinitly a more neutral name.

So please stop removing the template until the issue is solved.

Tājik 01:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed the non-sense and uneducated racist "comeback" line that was added 30mins later. It is not called a comeback line because you go and come back again you know :) You just can't help making those comments, can you? lol.. Baristarim 01:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Depends on who I am talking to ... educated people will receive an educated answer ... others get the answer they deserve. BTW: I did not know that you are a lawyer. This is not really reflected in your writings in Wikipedia *sigh* Tājik 03:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW: it is NOT racist to post a link to an article published by SPIEGEL Online (so watch WP:CIVIL!)! It just happens that certain people do not like the truth ... Tājik 03:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

So, we are clear on what a comeback is? good :)) The problem is not the link: Speigel doesn't say "the Turkish problem continues, both in Wiki and other places" - that is a racist and uneducated comment (coming from the interpretation of the person that posted it and not from Spiegel, right?). If Speigel had said the same thing, I would still call it for what it is in any case.

I am confused however. It just came to my mind that maybe sometimes what you actually say and what you want to say doesn't correspond and as such you are either misunderstood or offend people. Try to weigh your words more carefully, you will find that it will be easier to communicate your thoughts to others. Of course if one's intention is to slug it out in the virtual world with random people just for kicks that's a different matter I suppose. I mean, what level of academic dialogue can there be at 4am anyways honestly? So that's why I didn't mind your post with the link. If you wanted to make a point however, the correct and civilized way of posting the link, even if one was trying to annoy someone, would have been "why don't you check this out then [ ]?". Or some dry British humor would have done the trick too :) Wit+sarcasm is more effective than just sarcasm. I am sorry that you feel that way about my contributions, but I don't think that you follow them closely so it's ok. So what is the primary reason that every single time I post a note to your talk page that I get a sarcastic remark somewhere in the reply? Puzzling... Baristarim 03:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hi

Hey, thanks for understanding. I've been pretty good, glad you're back. :-) BTW, check this out. I made a comment on the talk page about it. Look at some of the sutff I get in response:

What do I mean by accessibility? Are you totally oblivious to the world around you? What do you suppose has constituted a large portion of the discussions on this page? I'm talking about missing redirects. the associated redlinks and inability to find things with the "Go" button. I'm talking about articles that aren't in categories, because they aren't alphabetized the way they should be. And these screwball dotless i's and dotted I's are not one silly iota different from any of the other diacritics; there's no reason whatsoever for them not to be included within the scope of this project page. Don't be trying to remove them from there. Gene Nygaard 20:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

No comment. ;-) Khoikhoi 07:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome!

Happy to see you in the project. When I'll have a bit more time, I also intend to joing the Turkey project.--Yannismarou 17:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, Bariş. I'm fine. How are you? i was away for a while because of the block which is indeed a right decision cause i violated the revert parole. Anyways, i started editing. Cheers. E104421 21:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Baris, just a quick note, I'd suggest you should leave Tajik's talk page alone. It's generally not considerered good style to edit war over other people's talkpages, and especially since he's blocked - even if you're right about what you write there, it's just that impression we should avoid of "kicking them while they're down", you know. Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Anglicisation of French administrative terms

I have initiated a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Anglicisation of French administrative terms. Please leave your comments. -- NYArtsnWords 22:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Ataturks reforms

Hi! I need your help. There is an article named Atatürk's reforms. I believe it is a good place to develop the significance of (ideological/political/achievements) these reforms. I begin to edit a little. When I first saw it looked like a list. The help that I want is this: Sometime in the history, Atatürk page developed a content that extends beyond his time (even a PKK link exists). Obviously content become to abstract and moved beyond anything that a Biography page should have. I believe If I move all these abstract discussions, somebody will come and revert. I have an intention of keeping the title Reforms, but giving a main page link and only explaining what he intented and what happened in his time. If you can help me explaining to the people, "The Atatürk's reforms page should be the correct location for analysis", and only historical info related to Atatürk should be in the page. --OttomanReference 23:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I hope you're doing fine! I uploaded a new collage for the Turkish people infobox, based on the discussion I had with User:E104421. Also, I would be happy if you could perhaps have a quick look to the two articles I recently created and tell me what you think (Turkish State Opera and Ballet, Ankara Opera House). During my absence, Atatürk article seems to be messed up a lot (layout-wise). Sincerely, Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Why are you supporting pan-turks and racists? you know better why i removed it, i will not subside with nationalists adding stuff, the article is well written until that anon came so are you a supporter of adils bunch also? or are you possibly a liberal turk? ASALA is not important as far it doesn't go under the category of this article. Nareklm 05:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Disruption?

How is that disruption? The talk on the talk page clearly had reached no consensus, and you have no basis to argue that the english name for this animal is 'van kedisi'. You know this is simply not true. I don't care for how long it has been a redirect, this was a simple move that needed to be done. Also, why can't you discuss on talk pages instead of systematically reverting? Soapyyy 07:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Name issue

I don't see why you would think it doesn't make sense, since this is a city whose population is Kurdish. As I said, both names are right to each other, aren't they? Anyways, I think efforts would be put to a better use than on something so little as this, but little things matter also, I am just curious as to what your reasoning is in saying that it doesn't make sense putting the Kurdish name first. This animal is a great pride for Kurds, just as I imagine it is one for Turks. Soapyyy 07:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

As a side note, I definitely don't see what your rationale would be for putting the Kurdish name after the Armenian one. In any case, I will leave it on the talk page about the move. We will see in a few days' time. As for the name issue, I would really like it if we found a consensus that leaves everybody satisfied. Soapyyy 07:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Van cat

The population of Wan before the Armenian genocide was 50% Kurdish and 50% Armenian. However, this is irrelevant because today, it is almost 100% Kurdish. I didn't say we shouldn't put the Armenian name, I just said the Kurdish name should logically fall before it. As for the fact that naming the page Van cat will create confusion - how? I mean an english-speaking person who looks for information on this cat here will probably never type 'Van kedisi', because they would have to know turkish to type this. So that creates even more confusion. And there is a disambiguation sentence at the top of the page.

We will continue this discussion later, as I disagree with you, but I have some work to do right now. Soapyyy 07:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)