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Hrant Dink picture

It is a good thing you removed the picture of Hrant Dink from your talkpage. It looked like the picture of a boar in a hunting lodge. --Tedblack 12:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Nhahahha User:GreekWarrior - go do something more useful with your life :) Baristarim 20:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at your civilisation Grey Wolf Image:Turkishsoldiers.jpg --Tedblack 10:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Akkoc

This is the way it's spelled in my text book; the case is relevant internationally. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 23:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The move is possible, and I did it even without use of my administrative powers. Besides this, secondary sources are not prohibited- they're useful for establishing notability. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 23:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Template substitution

Hello Baristarim. Please substitute templates (use {{subst:anon}} instead of {{anon}}), especially when they contain a header. Clicking '[edit]' beside a template header leads to the template, not the current page. A user you welcomed responded on the template page. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:02:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, sorry about that! :) I am still trying to nail down stuff like that. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers! Baristarim 00:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:02:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Revert confusion

Greetings. I noticed you reverted some vandalism in the Spain article, but your comment refers to a different user other that the one you reverted. Just want to make sure you reverted what you meant to. What you reversed was clearly vandalism...but did you mean to also revert another one (corresponding with the user your identified as the vandal)? Hope that's clear...if not, check the history, or ask me. Cheers! --Anietor 02:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

you messaged me?

i think i received a message from you... what can i do for you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ask123 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

Re:

Thanks, but i posted it first! :P jk Nareklm 03:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your edit to Template:European Americans, I was starting to feel like no one would ever agree with me and there is no changing that other users mind about what a European American is. THANKS--Joebengo 03:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Kurdistan

Why did you rename the project and all of its sub pages, you have no right to do that. You have to discuss these kinds of things before making a drastic change. I am going to rename it back to its original name, I am telling you this nicely please don’t change the name of this project. This has been discussed enough before if you don’t like the name then please don’t contribute in a negative manner, no one is forcing you to contribute if you cant be constructive then don’t be destructive. --D.Kurdistani 04:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not saying that you should not contribute, actually I am happy that you’re contributing to this project. But your not contributing in a constructive manner, you are eager to jump in when its naming the project. I know that you and the other Turkish user don’t like the name of the project to be Kurdistan, but just because you don’t like it doesn’t meant that we cant name it that. As far as changing the name back, I don’t want to start edit war with you going back and forth with the name changing. I would like to get everyone’s opinion on this and I think we as a group should decide what the name should be changed to. --D.Kurdistani 05:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
My final name suggestion for this project was WikipPoject: Kurds & Kurdistan on the proposal page for this project. I am still going to discuss the name issue with the other guys who are interested in this project, as I said my final suggestion for the name was Kurds & Kurdistan and I think this would be a more appropriate name for it. Let me know what you think. --D.Kurdistani 06:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Your last version

I'm stratified with it, cheers. --Mardavich 05:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Reverts

No i said it was but it was not! i am right you broke to i think, no issue with turkish, stop adding all those to articles please its vandalism yourself, mustafa is added to all articles and saying turkish and he is putting in no stub articles i am not bad person. Jamaana 07:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

he was removing info and adding in turkey only and he tagged lots of non-stub articles —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamaana (talk • contribs) 07:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
im not new here ive been here bfore on ip but never username, hi please be nice
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Interesting relations

Please check this! Regards. MustTC 07:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The current (miserable) situation of Istanbul

Barış, the only image with a "controversial copyright" was istanbul_from_above.jpg (the image on top which showed the Sultanahmet Mosque, Haghia Sophia, etc. and was scanned from a poster). The other images are from my friends at WowTurkey.Com and have no copyright problems.

Here's my suggestion: Substitute the istanbul_from_above.jpg with an image of Maiden's Tower (etc.) while restoring the rest (taking into account the "letter editings" (the typed material) which have been added since the beginning of the "conflict".)

Currently, Istanbul looks horrible and I'm sure potential tourists who look at it will change their minds and opt for another destination.

This is a "national interest case" which should not be left into the hands of possessive/obsessive editors who think they "own" Istanbul (and don't let anyone else add/edit something), or editors belonging to Turkey's "friendly nations" (the usual suspects) who took the opportunity to add gecekondu images, etc.

Regards. DragutBarbarossa 02:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thx for the barnstar

Thanks! --Free smyrnan 05:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Figured it out after I did it. Learned smtg new! --Free smyrnan 06:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

PKK

Hello! If you prefer ultra-nationalist to neo-fascist, I won't make a fuss about it, they really are synonyms IMO. About the paragraph on counter-insurgency, although I am far from being a supporter of PKK, I really think it is necessary to include it, not as a form of support as I'm sure some will be quick to believe it is, but simply to try to understand things. Counter-insurgency is a complex matter, as shown by the abstract by Lawrence Cline on pseudo-operations. I haven't really looked at the Casualties article, but I will have a look at it. I also hope you'll put in your comment at Talk:PKK concerning my recent proposal to reajust a bit the intro (and, while your at it, we should put the Casualties link in it). Teshikur, ciao! Tazmaniacs

Yes, I think you're correct. Just immediately, it springs to my mind that it seems to me that the Effects of the PKK is a strange name for an article. Wouldn't the whole thing justify an article like Turkish-Kurdish conflict or something around that line? "Effects of the PKK" would fall under that, wouldn't it? And it could also include other groups, instead of reducing everything to the PKK? Such conflicts are very complex, and have also serious consequences not only in the conflictual zone, but also for Turkish society and politics, including negotiations with EU. As another, different, example, you know which serious consequences the Algerian War have had, both in Algeria and in France, to this day — and even, if you have a look at Marie-Monique Robin's works and others, in South America, Vietnam, etc. Tazmaniacs
PS: since you speak French, isn't it surprising that the Algerian Civil War French version of the article has been completely translated from English, without any criticism? It appears that one US-apparented Wikipedian is hardly trying to enforce his vision on the conflict, which contradicts what any Algerian (or French, for that matter) knows about it (including false flag attacks - strange I'm returning to that, isn't it?=), and has succeeded in driving out an Arabic-speaking Wikipedian who built most of the article... Salut! Tazmaniacs

 :D

Hehehehe.

Mrb,

İngilizce yazmaya gerek yoktu. Neyse...

İyi çalışmalar.

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Hi

Watclist'im kullanılamaz hale geldi.Hızına yetişemiyorum.En iyisi sen işini bitirinceye kadar logout ta beklemek. Kolay gelsin. MustTC 12:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Semih Saygıner

Please see Semih Saygıner. I've WPP tagged it for you on its talk page and had the audacity to promote it as "Mid"-level priority, because the subject is highly notable in-context, and it redlinks to an article that should exist, on his wife, a Turkish billiards champion in her own right, but I don't know Turkish, so I could not even think of trying to translate the Turkish wikipedia article on her (if there is one), or interpreting the source materials enough to create an all-new one. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 13:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Adana Kebab

Hey can you please help me identify it here? [1] than we can add the picture or i can, cheers. Nareklm 13:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Listen, the similar issue came up in the PKK article, and the modification didn't pose a problem. I have studied law and political sciences, and believe me that in the English language there is not a concensus on how to define fascism as it applies to modern movements - a) fascism is never used, b) the use of neofascist doesn't have a concensus, and it is exclusively a European concept which makes its application to Turkey difficult. MHP et al are referred to as ultra-nationalist by the BBC and similar - and that's what counts. The word fascist in Turkish has mutated a bit from its original academic meaning in the English language. Just use ultra-nationalist, it will be simpler for uninformed readers: most anglophones think of Mussolini and the second world war movements when they think of fascism.. Cheers! Baristarim 20:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Read the first paragraph at fascism - you will see that there is not an academic concensus for the application of that word for post-WW2 movements even in Europe, let alone those outside of Europe. Maybe I am picking because this is what I have studied in university along with law, but it is better to be precise all the same :) Baristarim 20:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll (try to ehem) use ultra-nationalist. But this organization is very similar to Hitler and Mussolini's views on arianism... probably unlike MHP, which is still crazy but less Hitler'ish compared to these guys... Towsonu2003 20:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey. If the anon who's editing Byzantine Greeks is the sock of a banned user then his edits have to be reverted, regardless of their merit. But how can it be proved? Miskin 21:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Too late, already reverted. Miskin 21:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

In Response

Oh Right..I am sorry..Erm I Saw it on the Iraq War article page, and thought I should add it too the Kurdistan page...But it didnt work..Thank You for pointing this out. 82.19.10.121 20:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: In Response

The Working Man's Barnstar
Thanks once again....some wikipedians have been really rude to me when creating or editing articles...Obviously it shows you are a nice person!- I hereby award you 82.19.10.121 21:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Your attent

Who is?MustTC 22:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The basic outline

I believe Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's basic outline is stable. I gave as much link as possible to Ataturk's reforms and Kemalist ideology, only leaving things that is directly related to him in the page. It is like "He did this-he did that" you agree or not. If one has issues regarding the concepts behind those activities, that can be developed under Ataturk's reforms and Kemalist ideology, which the theoretical arguments under those pages. Hope you like it. OttomanReference 22:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

OttomanReference, are you Armenian? Your obsession with Abdülhamid II and your determination in turning the Atatürk article into one that holds him responsible for the alleged Armenian Genocide (with your home-made 1916-1917 Bitlis-Muş map, or your claim that "Kemal fled the heavily advancing Armenian forces", etc) makes me think that you're Armenian.

If so, I would like to congratulate you for turning Istanbul into the miserable page that it is now, fulfilling your patriotic goals. However, I'm afraid I won't let you destroy it, and give you a full broadside whenever you attempt to do so. Regards. DragutBarbarossa 18:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Watch this.

Abdullah Öcalan‎ MustTC  22:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Baris, the situation on the Nakhichevan article is very delicate. I would appreciate it if you would stop editing the article in the name of Turkish-Armenian cooperation on Wikipedia. It is not a Turkish-Armenian dispute, but an Azeri-Armenian dispute. All the best, Aivazovsky 22:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

As if the Armenians are not a spice in every Turkish meatball, from Istanbul to Atatürk. DragutBarbarossa 18:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

OttomanReference

Bu arkadaşın Atatürk'ü 1916-1917 yılları için Ermeni Soykırımı'ndan sorumlu hale getirmesi, Abdülhamid II'ye fena halde kafayı takmış olması ve İstanbul'u mahvetmek için elinden geleni yapmasından ötürü ben açıkçası pek de Türkiye dostu olmayan bir diaspora Ermenisi olduğunu düşünüyorum (yanlış anlamayın, benim en yakın arkadaşım bir Ermeni ile evli, Mıgırdıç ve Varjan adında iki yakın Ermeni dostum da var).

Bu adam resmen "Ottoman" rumuzuyla kendini Türk kılığına sokup Türkiye ile ilgili her konuyu dinamitlemeyi kendisine görev edinmiş, özellikle Ermeniler ile ilgili konuları.

Yani bir Truva Atı. DragutBarbarossa 18:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Azeris

Yeah, I suppose so. Can you think of a possible compromise version. Perhaps I should ask other users for advice as well. Khoikhoi 12:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

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Constantinople

Hi Baristarim. I restored the cat:History of Greece for the following reasons:

  • It is treated in all sources on the history of Greece, or of the Greeks
  • It was a popular native name of the Byzantine Empire during its late period (Hellas=Greece)
  • It was one of the permanent names the West used for the Empire (Latin: Graecia < Greece)

The cat:History of Turkey has no place because the Turkish editors have chosen to declare the end of 'Constantinople' and the beginning of Istanbul in 1453, which makes references to 'Turkey' anachronistic name. This is wrong since, as you probably already know, the Ottoman Empire kept the name 'Constantinople' and didn't use 'Istanbul'. However, it has been dictatorially decided to satisfy this erroneous POV, so there's nothing we can do about right now except avoid statements that do not make sense. That, or change all pre-1930 mentions of Instanbul to Constantinople. Cheers. Miskin 18:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Correction, I had failed to notice that the POV about the use of Istanbul was corrected, hence I support that both cats (history of Greece, history of Turkey) should be restored. But I'm met with strong resistance. Miskin 23:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Favor

Hello, we may not agree eye to eye with certain things but considering Armenian-Turkish related articles have been relatively..."tame" lately I was wondering if you can do me a favor. Although I find it cynical that certain users continue to badger the Armenian Genocide article for its name, I'm not surprised at all that they never challenge the naming of this one. My Turkish is quite well but I have refrained from editing it due to the inevitable debates it will cause because of my altering of it. That is why I am asking you if you can change the title of the article so it conforms to the other versions of Wikipedia and hence would appear less of an act of "vandalism" to others. Thanks, --MarshallBagramyan 02:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Abdullah Öcalan Case

Isn't it an important event to mention (at least at the Timeline part) in Greco-Turkish Relations , the role of Greek embassy in Nairobi international airport Kenya, when he captured in an operation by MIT, 1999? (SEY01 15:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC))

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Niksar

When you have time, I would like you to read the article. In my opinion article is not encyclopedic and resemble a homework. However I am not so bold to revert it back and in fact not in favor of a full revert. I would be glad when you have some time to read and tell me your opinions about it. See you,--Ugur Olgun 16:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Armenian terrorism

I think there is enough material to start a category for Armenian terrorism. It starts with the Ottoman Bank Takeover, then there is the Yıldız Attempt, assassination of Talat Pasha, then diplomats and civilians murdered by ASALA and other Armenian organizations. I want to know what you think about the category.--Doktor Gonzo 14:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)--Doktor Gonzo 14:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Your image of St. Antoine cathedral on Istiklal Avenue

Dear Barış,

I added this beautiful photo of yours to the Istanbul page, but the photo name is wrong (it should be St. Antoine instead of St. Esprit, which is another Catholic church in Istanbul, in the Harbiye district.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:St._Esprit_Cathedral%2C_Istanbul.jpg

Can you please re-upload the image with the name "St. Antoine" in order to avoid confusion (so that someone won't change its caption name as St. Esprit, which is not correct). Thank you very much in advance and best regards. KeremTuncay 20:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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Image

First off calm down, second the image states "A Turkish Islamic Jihad Flag, which the Turks flew in WWI and under its shadow thousands of Assyrian civilians, were butchered with swords." from the original place, see [2] (No POV from me in the caption). There's a profile on this at tkb [3], regards. Artaxiad 16:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I get your point about the image, but the article is well referenced, includes scholars historians etc. Artaxiad 11:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)