User talk:Bardcom
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I prefer to reply to comments on the page they were left, so if I left a comment on your page, reply there it is on my watch list. If you leave a comment here, watch this page until the discussion is done as I will only leave replies here. Thank you.
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[edit] Mind the gap
- 'Mind "the gap", doors are closing'
Well that is one that is going to go strait over the head of most admins involved in this dispute, I only hope Sarah has visited London. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Some advice
Hello Bardcom, I have come to you for some advice because you have had some discussions with Matt Lewis. He continually accuses me of pro-nationalist POV whenever I disagree with him and its really got to the point were I feel like walking away. It got to the point on his talk page where I confess I got a little frustrated with him and among other insults he told me to f***k off. I mentioned this to an admin who told me to avoid him for a week. Can this be right? Do I have to actually have to leave wikipedia in case I come across him (and I will, we seem to be interested in the same subjects) and he once again slanders me when I disagree with him? My question is, where do I go from here? Jack forbes (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Jack Forbes - you have already gone a step too far here, really. Yesterday you went to two admins about me! What on earth do you think Bardcom can tell you that they cannot? Or are you just stirring things up here as you have seen I am in a disagreement with him? I hope you are not building something up here. One admin has already said that we have both been uncivil to each other - which is true. Please look over your own comments (on my Talk page, and before) - I think you are so offended by me that you are not properly considering yourself here: you have been no wallflower either. If you want to file a civility report, please ask an admin for help (I can't point you as I've never done it) - if you try to involve people I am curently in a disagreement with, with like Bardcom, it will surely stand against you, wouldn't it? Think about in terms of Wikipedia's broader policies, and see this as well-intentioned advice for a relatively new user. Another thing too - it probably took me about 6 months before I was fully appreciative of the scope of Wikipedia's guidelines and policy (and I never ignored them either). Without sounding patronising - maybe you should spend some more time 'brushing up'? --Matt Lewis (talk) 11:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- I posted a message on your own page, I am finished with you and with the whole thing, good luck with your future bullying! Jack forbes (talk) 12:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Hi Jack, it might seem strange to hear this, but Matt is a very passionate editor that believes he is being neutral and fair, and if he has any obvious faults, I would say it is his tendency to make personal comments. I sincerely believe that he occasionally comments in the rush of the moment - in a red mist - and perhaps on occasion even regrets some of the comments. Nonetheless, there is such a thing as ad hominen attacks, and these are not tolerated. You must also assume good faith WP:AGF. My advice for both of you would be to completely avoid any personal comments. At all times. You must also believe that there isn't any inherent badness in other editors - most editors are trying to be neutral and fair. Be aware that there will be disagreements. Have patience (this is the hardest) - there's loads of time (days, weeks) to make your point - this is not IM where responses are expected in seconds/minutes. If you believe a personal comment has been made, then leave a warning on the other users Talk page. There are templates available. After 3 warnings, there are processes and procedures that entitle you to bring it to the attention of an admin, who will more than likely issue a 24hour block initially, but the blocks will progressively get longer depending on how many times the editor continues to exhibit the same behaviour. Finally, sometimes you have to walk away for a period of time because discussions get too heated or the discussion doesn't make sense. If you have patience, you can always return to the discussion after a few weeks - believe me, it'll still be there. --Bardcom (talk) 13:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Hello
Just a note to say how thoughtful I found your commentary on Sarah777's Talk page.
Rather like the great Irishman Lord Palmerston said (of the Schleswig-Holstein question); there were three people who understood the question: one had gone mad; one had died; and he himself had forgotten. In my own case, I've found three Irish editors that I could actually talk to on Wikipedia - two have died, and the last one's got an indefinite block. --Major Bonkers (talk) 09:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
