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Contents 1 Alternate Bart the General 2 deleting 2nd sentence 3 Bart the General parody 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Herman-simpsons.jpg 5 Good article nomination on hold 5.1 GA passed 5.2 Debut Appearances

[edit] Alternate Bart the General

Here is a 4 minute long alternate episode someone made http://virtual.dyc.edu/~foogirl/ghxyk2/video/BART%20THE%20GENERAL.mp4

[edit] deleting 2nd sentence

Since the Simpsons in syndicated all over the country, stating how many times it has aired could quickly go out of date. So i'm going to delete that sentence. --Natalie 00:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bart the General parody

Someone posted about a parody, giving a youtube address, and crediting it to "the popular famicon website." Seeing as famicon.net (the site referred to) is a mousetrapping, screen-spamming mess of a site, it seemed the wisest thing to remove the citation Bustter 09:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I DISAGREE! 00:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)00:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)00:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)00:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)00:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)00:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)00:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, however, under protest. 130.156.160.65

I still diagree! 01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I too protest.

Should -your- personal taste of a website or meme really dictate what should be placed in an informational article? It doesn't sound like a very scientific approach here.

Science is an evil of mankind. I do not let it dictate my life as you have chosen to let it yours!

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Herman-simpsons.jpg

Image:Herman-simpsons.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of January 16, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Would recommend trying to remove some weasel words.

2. Factually accurate?: Six sources are not really enough to justify GA status. Ten would be more acceptable.

3. Broad in coverage?: Article appears to be broad in its coverage.

4. Neutral point of view?: Appears to have an NPOV.

5. Article stability? No real evidence of edit wars etc.

6. Images?: Would recommend using {{Non-free use rationale}} for images.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. ISD (talk) 14:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review.

1. Some have been removed. Is it enough? Otherwise you must specify wherein the problem lies.

2. The article holds as many references as possible. I have checked the internet as well as several books and I can't find anymore. Several other Simpsons episodes have been passed with only six references, so I don't think it should be a problem. The question is if you can find anything that is unreferenced.

6. I have removed one fair use image and inserted two free images instead. --Maitch (talk) 09:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Three things:

Can you show me an example(s) of articles that have been promoted with six references.

I think the "Bart the General poster" could still use the {{Non-free use rationale}} template.

I don't think the two free images are strictly relevant. You can use the one of Herman that was already in the article. I just believe that using the {{Non-free use rationale}} template would make the summary look better. If you want examples of these templates being used, may I recommend the Green Wing article as a reference point, which use the template on its images. ISD (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Mountain of Madness, My Sister, My Sitter, The Canine Mutiny and This Little Wiggy has six references as well as being GA's. Simpson Tide only has five references. King of the Hill only has four references.

I have inserted the fair use template on the poster.

Well, I was thinking about the image of Herman and concluded that is what purely decorative and therefore unuseable. Do you disagree? --Maitch (talk) 07:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I suppose so, although I do believe that the two other photos are also purely decorative. I think that the one image would do fine. ISD (talk) 08:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the two free images have been removed. --Maitch (talk) 08:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

Well done, I now believe that this article is of GA standard. Keep up the good work. ISD (talk) 08:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Debut Appearances

Don't see the problem with adding this section since it is standard for episode articles and this one is not different. If a reader would like more information about Nelson Muntz or Herman, they'd just have to click on the link to their own article. Cladeal832 (talk) 21:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It isn't standard for episode articles. The only one that actually has one is Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire and that's only because there's so many. None of the other need them, becuase the can all be featured in the production section. Gran² 22:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, there is no point of having a seperate section for two or three characters. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

See Krusty Gets Busted, The Crepes of Wrath, The Call of the Simpsons, Dead Putting Society, Moaning Lisa, Realty Bites, Bart vs. Thanksgiving]], Three Men and a Comic Book, Two Bad Neighbors, etc... more out there. Nothing wrong with more info then less. 65.95.3.36 (talk) 01:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The info is already in the article, it doesn't need its own section. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to note, I wasn't the one who did that on Girly Edition, some other editors had added that section since I made it a GA. xihix(talk) 01:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)