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[edit] wrong image!

somebody needs to change the main image. it only shows Impulse (Bart) in the water, but focuses on Kid Flash (Wally!).

this is made obvious by the wrong eye-color (Bart seldom suffers the wrong eyes syndrom and does have his trademark golden eyes in the Impulse half) and by huge differences between Wally's and Bart's Kid Flash uniform. Bart modified it with lotsa little details, especially the boots.

I guess it's a cover from the Sins of Youth arc.

I'd change it myself, but I don't have any fitting images at hand.

Twincast

I also think the image stands to be changed, though considering the rumors that Bart may be the star of the upcoming Flash series, I think we could stand to wait until we have confirmation that he either is or is not the new Flash. If he is not, I think we should either go back to the previous KF/Imp image or find one of just Kid Flash. A separate image of Impulse could probably be better. KramarDanIkabu 03:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

We already have a picture of the Impulse comic. Now, if there's a better image we can use, i say we use it. What's the point of waiting? (Especially if the image we're currently using is displaying the wrong flipping character) Ace Class Shadow 06:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The cover is from "World Without a Young Justice", and it is supposed to be Bart (although, for reasons explained in the story, that is Wally's Kid Flash outfit he's wearing). You're right about the eye-colour being wrong. Daibhid C 09:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox streamlining

In regards to the edit of this character's "Notable Powers" section of the Infobox, Please see revelant topics at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/templates and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Infobox: Powers section. dfg 06:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC) italics section added by dfg 19:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how tht applies to this article. Furthermore, you could try actually saying something rather than just dumping links. It's helpful info, but I find it hard to appreciate the wayt you displayed it. Ace Class Shadow 18:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

You're right; sorry. It was too much of me to expect people to read a little bit more to understand what's going on. For the easily confused, I clarified the above statement with italics. In regards to your specific edit of the article, Ace Class Shadow, the formatting standard for the infobox can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/templates, therefore I corrected it, along with my previous mistake (missing period). dfg 19:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Gees, Dude. You don't have to act so condescending. I simply felt you could have explained yourself more clearly. Ace Class Shadow 19:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry; but you're right that it needed clarification, and thanks for suggesting it. dfg 19:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Sorry for misediting. I'll admit, I was a bit confused here and there. Still, you were right to improve the article and offer the links. Ace Class Shadow 19:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Another Spoiler from DC Merchandising... use it in the article?

Like the Superboy Prime Action Figure showing him with his Anti-Monitor like armor before IC#5, the merchandising DC has likely spread a major spoiler on the final destiny of Bart Allen. Uncertain if put it on his own page, I leave here the link.

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(http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/dc/en/teaser.aspx) It's the UpperDeck Promo of the Infinite Crisis expansion deck, that contains a major spoiler on Bart.

Before, when the Superboy Prime action figure blew up the suspance about him, a mention to him was immediately added to wikipedia. But in this case I suggest waiting at last the 3rd of May, when IC#7 is up, then decide to use or not this spoilerful information to put up a paragraph like the one in Superboy Page. DrTofu83 13:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, well, spoilers are spoilers. Furst off, a warning on the talk page is a bit excessive. Second, it's a talk page, not an article. Third, let's take our cue from the Superboy-Prime article. Also, since this affects multiple articles, we'll have to edit them accordingly. Bart Allen is the new flash in his grandfather's suit. The Anti-Gnome 21:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The point of the Talk Page warning is that I wasn't, and still I'm not quite sure on the opportunity of the edit on the main article. Wikipedia usualy tolerates tagged spoiler. But this spoiler will last until the first number of the new series of Flash will came out. And we are talking of June. I'm wondering if there's a Wikipedia official position to refer DrTofu83 22:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I know, dude. I bet I seem like a maniac, huh? The thing is, Bart appeared in Barry's suit. It was right there the whole time. That mean the spoiler is comics canon from Infinite #5. Look at it like...smilex. Joker gas formula, that is. In the Tim Burton movie, it was combinations that were deadly, but multiple products were poisoned. This is the same thing. The games confirm what the comic already hinted at. It's genius, actually. The Anti-Gnome 23:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Posting "spoilers"

there's lots of rumors pertaining to the new flash. didio said "the first flash you see will not be the last" or some such. speaking of which, i've read rumors that the flash who returned is indeed bart, but he used the last of his powers and "retired" as seen in teen titans one year later. so i think, in this case, it would be better to only reflect established fact and not get in the habbit of rumor mongering.

anyway, all is revealed wednesday. can we not wait two days? Exvicious 08:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bart as the Flash

Since it *is* Bart as the Flash in IC5... anyone got a pic? Exvicious 03:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if this is what you wanted but here[1] 69.242.146.43 01:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Bitchin'! Ace Class Shadow 02:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status (of Bart)

It is sad as Bart was one of those heroes created by DC in the '90s which had great hope as DC's future. Superboy was one of them and now he is dead, though Robin is trying to re-clone him. Good luck with that. Now Bart is a man without powers. It is just ridiculous. He is DC's most youthful characther and a has a sort-of Peter Pan persona and now he ages. Hope in the DC Comics's limited series's 52 will explain what in the world has happened to Bart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.90.67 (talk • contribs)

Well, technically, 52's meant to explain what happens directly after the crisis in the present/past. Bart, depowered, would be irrilation unless connected in some way to the new Flash set to appear. I'm not sure about Peter Pan. Bart's a time traveller, but he was aging and maturing naturally before the crisis. Also, with semi-capable Jay active and once again the fastest known speedster, it's likely he'll have more of a part in the new Flash's life. I'll say this, though: The decision to, basically, bitchslap Bart rather than give him the flash title was probably for the same reason Hal was turned into a headcase. Drama, and to introduce a new guy whilst making the old guy/candidate look seem incapable. Sometimes it's less respectful/honorable/logical than others. Look at Catwoman. Selina's a single mom. WTF?! ACS (Wikipedian) 20:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One year later

Why has my entry for Bart's one year later keep getting removed? Everything I stated was CITED FROM PAGES OF INFINITE CRISIS #7 u see in that issue that he's been aged to an adult from taking super boy prime through the speed force to the future and that he has used the last of his powers when he returned and saved Wonder Girl from SBP. He later states that Jay Garrick is now the worlds fastest man again.

Because none of that happened One Year Later - it happened during Infinite Crisis, and it's already written up in that section. All you've done is add duplicate info in the wrong place. CovenantD 02:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Posting spoiler in SHB question

Template:Spoiler Now I know that the issue where Bart officially becomes the Flash will come out next week (Flash: Fastest Man Alive #2) and, in retrospect, I agree with CovenantD on not posting spoilers in the SHB. However, 002KFlash052 changed the entry to reflect the spoiler again. My question is since the issue comes out next week (or, in some cases like the comic shop I get my books at, the preview that retailers got this week and sell to their customers) do we revert it back to Bart being a retired Kid Flash or just leave the update that reflects his adopting the Flash codename? Either way is fine with me. It would also be a good idea to set some sort of timeframe guideline where the SHB can get updated with info that some would consider spoilers (like if it's something that is pretty obvious, been talked about in various media, and within a few days of the issue's release)--Cnjartist 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) Template:Endspoilers

The usual rule-of-thumb that those of us involved in the Comics Project have been using is to wait until something hits the stores to include it in the SHB or the lead section. In the body of the text is fine, as long as it's cited and has spoiler warnings. The reasoning is that not everybody reads the previews, the fan sites, etc., and we're shouldn't be putting information out there where it can't be avoided. CovenantD 21:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Then should the page get reverted to the Kid Flash version and then locked until July 19th or just leave it with the current changes?--Cnjartist 21:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
It should be reverted to the Kid Flash pic and lead, with something in the text (with the citation) about the interview. CovenantD 21:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, it's changed back to the Kid Flash version with a blurb & link to the interview in the One Year Later spoiler section. I do suggest that the page is locked from further changes until the issue comes out on 7/19. --Cnjartist 21:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Doubt if an admin would think there's enough reason to do so. It's just a matter of diligence in making sure it doesn't creep back in :-) CovenantD 21:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status

I think it's kind of funny to see people keep changing Bart's status, particularly because the "status" field no longer shows up in articles. It's kind of pointless. --Chris Griswold 08:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creditr to Smallville for Status change?

Hey. Back in 2004, Kyle Gallner's performance as Bart was being promoted as an appearance of "the Flash". Now, in 2006, Bart is the Flash. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? 172.191.146.152 23:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That's a big conclusion to draw. We don't know for sure if they're connected, or if Bart Allen was on Smallville because of his promotion to Flash in the comics. --Chris Griswold(☏) 04:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, Kyle had IDs for all the Flashes so it's possible he's an amalgaman (sp) of the lot. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Bart's friends

There should be at least a mention of Carol, Preston, and Dox (his dog)from "Impulse"

Who? WHen do they come in? I only read the first 30 issues or so; I don't remember those ones. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 05:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Here http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/supporting.html

Carol was that hippy chick who he hung around with and Preston got child abused by his mom, I don't remember Dox though. User:002KFlash052


[edit] Impulse with Teen Titans

I'm reverting this, again, and I'll explain why in detail. Please reply here before we get into a revert war.

It was during this time that Bart began his first run with the Teen Titans, during Arsenals short-lived run as leader of the team, along with heroes like Green Lantern Kyle Rayner, Donna Troy in her Darkstar guise, and Rose Wilson;the future Ravager whom he developed quite the crush on.

We already have the sentance Following the breakup of Young Justice, Bart joined the new Teen Titans. which covers the fact that Bart as Impulse was in TT. We don't need to have a longwinded explanation of who else was in TT, becuase that sort of thing belongs on the TT page, not Bart's. We can change the TT link to point directly to the subsection if needed. Concerning his crush on Rose, I can't find ref of that anywhere by the Titans Tomorrow section. If you can find it, please cite that one. As is, I'll mention it and tag it. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 16:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It's barely a mention that he was in the Titans first of all. Second, fine, don't put the long winded stuff about the other members, but it's worth mentioning that he was in the Titans before, cause not many people know about that team, but it was an important part of his Impulse run that doesn't get much press.. User:002KFlash052
So elaborate on his time as a Titan, rather than what the Titans were. "While Bart was a member of the Titans he..." I don't have those issues, so I can't speak for it myself, but there has to be more to it than 'Bart was on the titans, had a crush on Ravager.' If not, then the info we have in there is exactly as much as we should have. :) -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, see, it makes a good deal of sense to write about exactly what the teen titans were for an impulse site, merely due to the fact that over time his initial stretch with that team has become insignificant enough as one could follow Bart and not follow the team (unlike Young Justice). And his initial stretch was essentially that small, given how he was only part of the team during the "rebel years". That last part came from what pretty much acted as the original "titan's tower" keeffee.com, which was closed down around 3 years or so ago. Connerjade 07:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)connerjade

[edit] Boomerang

Should a bit about his "new" half-brother, Boomerang (Owen Mercer) be included..? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.22.136.173 (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Where is that info coming from? I saw that in the Owen mercer article, but it gives no info about where that comes from. And no, it's not that important. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Flash #224-225 is where you learn Capt'n Boomerang 1.0 was stuck in the 20th century for a while and hooked up with Meloni Thawne, who later married Don Allen and they had young Bart. Now don't ask me how Owen got dumped in 'our' time. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 18:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] middle name

We need a citation. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional mechanics?

Why is Bart listed under the "Fictional mechanics" category? Wally West worked as a mechanic during the second half of Geoff Johns' run, but the closest I can think of to Bart working as a mechanic is his job at Keystone Motors. For all we've seen of it, it may have involved standing next to a machine and pressing buttons once in a while. (Rather likely, considering all the complaints about automation at the beginning of the story.) I can't remember him showing any interest in it as a hobby, either. --Kelson 21:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Flashfastestmanalive1.jpg

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[edit] Question about Flash #13

Is Bart Allen dead? It's never stated directly, only implied, and yet the present-tense narration at the end indicates that he is still alive. It really is a shame what happened to this character; by that, I mean terrible writing. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The framing images are a strong indication of his death. The narration... it isn't that out of place for it to to be his "ghost". Beyond that, taking the primary source for what it is, since no one specifically spoke the words, and we didn't get "treated" to an autopsy, it's a comic book death. I think there was mention in the Nesarama articles that Bart is indeed dead, but I'm not sure.
As far as the writing... Personally, the first arc ran me off the book, but it was a two fold thing: the writing and the editorial decision. Looking at 13 (Yeah, I'm a bit morbid, so I picked it up. I was also curious if/how it played into the JLA/JSA arc.) the writing is good here, but still the editorial decision stinks. - J Greb 02:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Addendum: A few relevent articles from Newsarama: SPOILER SPORT: TONY DANIEL TALKS FLASH #13 (Daniels comments he was woking at it as a "death"...); and SPOILER SPORT: MELTZER & JOHNS ON THE LIGHTNING SAGA'S END (Metzler makes a comment that Bart's death wasn't on his or Johns radar). Best I could fint in articles... - J Greb 02:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Young Justice and Impulse vs. Teen Titans and Flash

Is there any particular reason why Bart's time in Young Justice, which spanned over sixty issues, is given the space of one paragraph, while his time in Teen Titans, which amounted to less than that, gets a detailed overview in its own section? None of his adventures in Impulse or Young Justice -- not even the highly relevant ones which explain his origins, the development of new powers, his relationship with Max Mercury and Carol, the origin and appearence of Inertia -- are mentioned, but everything post-Teen Titans is spelled out in close detail. Some other major crossover adventures -- Sins of Youth or Worlds at War, for example -- aren't even mentioned at all.

So is this merely a question of no one yet having taken the time to write a more detailed section for these periods of his career, or are they considered not relevant enough for inclusion?

I agree with you completely: The character history is out of proportion and missing the most important parts. But yes, it is because no one has gotten around to it. Feel free to add, but try to include issue numbers. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 11:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capture of the Rogues

Struck the "but the villains as well" comment. The phrasing implies that, aside from Inertia, the rest of the Rogues were taken down by their peers. Given recent use of the characters, only Deadshot and Multiplex are villains: Bronze Tiger is a hero, Mercer is trying to be one, and Vertigo is the Knight for Checkmated White Queen (Waller).

Also re-worded Piper and Tricksters capture since it isn't clear when exactly the funeral took place in relation to the rest of the captures.

- J Greb 09:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bart and Countdown etc

Surely there's some place we can put the recently omitted information about Bart's possible future prospects? It would be one thing if it was only one stray comment from Mark Waid but Geoff Johns also dropped a big hint about it just yesterday at the SDCC. I will of course defer to the Wiki experts.Jbt1138 20:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately it's still spec. For all we know Johns' could have meant "Don't spoil it. He's still dead." just as easily as "He's alive."
If this article actually had a publication history section instead bring almost entirely and in-continuity/story bio, such a nugget would be reasonable to include as it is an example of how the publisher and writers are treating the fan spec that Bart's death isn't dead-dead but comic-book-dead. - J Greb 22:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar and Style Edits

Using my experience as editor for several publications, I have corrected the grammar and style of this article to the best of my knowledge up to the Infinite Crisis section. I did not follow Bart's story after that event and would probably be best for me not to attempt to mess with information I'm unfamiliar with.

(Luisenriquesaavedra (talk) 05:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC))