Talk:Barrayar
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This article needs a fair bit of work. There's probably enough of a historical basis to flesh out a lot, and the cultural paranoia about mutation certainly deserves mention. Is there any kind of template or standard for describing a planet which could be used to clean this article up? FrozenPurpleCube 01:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Just pasting this here, as I'm not sure if it would be better to include it in the article, or make an article for the Barrayaran Empire.
- An interesting note is that there is no mention in the books as to whether or not Sergyar would receive Districts, and thus Counts. Komarr would not because it had a population and thus a government system in place before Barrayar, but since Sergyar will be populated by Barrayarans, would Sergyar be cut up into Districts? Additionally does Barrayar's Southern Continent have Districts? It seems that it has only recently been terraformed. So, would the number of Counts increase, or would each receive an Annex? OR would Sergyar be districted, and the Counts of Sergyar would have their own council, whose vote became one on the Barrayaran Council?
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[edit] Vorbarr Sultana - Capitol of Vobarra District?
Hello. DonSample seems to know that Vorbarr Sultana is NOT the capitol of the Vorbarra District. I would like to hear a source on this. I can't cite a source for it being so, but I want to know what he bases his matter-of-fact statement on. Note, I don't doubt him as he has made many quality edits to the Saga and I appreciate that but I could have sworn it was the capitol of the Vorbarra district. Thank you. Dachande (talk) 14:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- It's more that there is nothing in the books that actually ever mentions a Vorbarra District. We learn in Barrayar that the city's Municipal Guard report to Count Vorbohn, which implies that Vorbarr Sultana is in Count Vorbohn's district. In A Civil Campaign Lord Vorbohn the Younger is in charge of the Vorbarra Sultana Municipal Guard, but he's probably deputizing for his father, the way Miles has been deputized by Count Vorkosigan, while he is away on Sergyar.Don Sample (talk) 03:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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- My problem with that is the naming convention. Vorkosigan Vashnoi, and Vorkosigan Surleau are cities in Vorkosigan's District, so it seems unlikely to me that Vorbarr Sultana would be in anyone else's district. AND Vorbarra is a Count, so he has a district. Now maybe the running of day to day District matters are deputized to some other count by the Emperor, as he's too busy. And as for the Capitol of the District, Based on the name I would have assumed it was the district capitol long before there was a unified Barrayar or Empire. Granted this is all speculation so I have no problem leaving it off until I find something to the contrary. Dachande (talk) 13:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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- It is possible that Vorbarr Sultana was the district capital of some past Count Vorbarra, but I think it is likely that some old Count gave up his district when he became Emperor. When Aral and Cordelia became Gregor's guardians, after Kareen's death:
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- ...she and Aral, as a couple, were officially appointed Gregor's guardians by the Council of Counts. This was legally distinct somehow from Aral's guardianship of the Imperium as Regent. Prime Minister Vortala took time to lecture her and make it clear her new duties involved no political powers. She did have economic functions, including trusteeship of certain Vorbarra holdings that were separate from Imperial properties, appending strictly to Gregor's title as Count Vorbarra.
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- but still no mention is made of any duties of a District Count.
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- It seems to me that the Emperor keeps his title of Count, so that he has a vote in the Council of Counts, and little else.
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- As for the name itself, If it was the seat of a district Count, wouldn't it be named "Vorbarra Vashnoi"? It's possible that an old emperor renamed his capital city after he rose to the throne, but it's just as likely that it was named as it was because it is the planetary capital.Don Sample (talk) 00:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] redundant category
Sigh. Someone else's turn to revert the addition of Category:Vorkosigan Saga. —Tamfang 04:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, good, User:Dachande – who made the addition – has evidently been persuaded, and reverted it. —Tamfang 04:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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- While I understand the move to the VSP cat instead of VS, why did someone make the Vorkosigan Saga Planets category in the first place? How many categories are necessary for this series of Books? That's my 2 cents. (Tamfang, deep breath, I won't undo anything or change it back :-P ;-)) Dachande 22:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Imperial Residence vs Vorhartung Castle
Someone believes that the Imperial Residence is Vorhartung Castle and I was pretty sure they were separate places. I can't think of a single time when they were equated in the novels. In fact, from ACC, where they mention that the "Emperor's Banner flew over Vorhartung Castle" indicated that Gregor was there himself would seem to imply to me that he doesn't live there. If someone can prove that Vorhartung Castle is in fact the Imperial Residence, then please leave the proof in the discussion page and fix it on the article, but I am going to keep them as separate until proven otherwise. Dachande 13:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Organization Style of Important Locations
I do not claim to be an expert Wikipedian, but I feel that the locations listed on this page are important enough for things to link to, but not quite important enough for their own pages. Thus, if they remain subsections, other pages can link to them. BUt if we turn them in to bulleted lists, links to them won't work. So I request that the "Important Places list" look like this:
[edit] City
[edit] Monument
[edit] Cool Place
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Instead of like this:
- City
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- Cool Place
- City
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- Cool Place
Thank you. Dachande 01:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
