Talk:Barrage (artillery)

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[edit] Page creation

My first attempt at a full page so go gently on me!

This page is intended to replace the existing box barrage and rolling barrage pages once I get round to checking all the links.

Now done, for all substantive articles with links.

The article relies heavily on Ian Hogg's book and other UK sources. Although excellent, Hogg's book is very Anglo-centric and the information generally availble on the web focuses on British use and practice. There is very little information on the use of the barrage by nations other than the British. Information about and sources for other nations' use of the barrage would be welcome.

Added some references to other nations to at least give some balance, if not much detail.

According to the German Wikipedia article Feuerwalze the creeping barrage was first used by the French in the Champagne battles of 1915: rough translation "used for the first time during the First World War by the French artillery in the second Champagne battle from 25 September to 6 November 1915 on the Western front. Coined/shaped by French general Robert Nivelle." No other source seems to corroborate. Cyclopaedic 17:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

The source books are largely about WWII and stop there, so there is little information about any later use of the barrage.

Cyclopaedic 22:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Found some information on Korea and Vietnam elsewhere on WP, added it.

Cyclopaedic 00:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B-class assessment

I am giving the article a B-class rating, but I am being generous here. The article meets the criteria on paper, but in reality still needs work. More refernces are required than are currently given,

Subsequently downgraded back to Start-class by another reviewer who left no comments here, but seems to be on grounds of lack of references. Cyclopaedic (talk • contribs) 09:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Many further references added, with more details from other sources. Cyclopaedic (talk) 11:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

and the structure needs work - in many places it sounds like the article can;t decide whether it wants to be in an encyclopedia or in a dictionary (this could be remadied by placing all definitions in one section, or reqorking the section headers to discuss each of the differnt barrages within the article).

Done: restructured the article with sections on development of the creeping barrage, explanation of standing and box barrages, and the benefits and drawbacks of the barrage. Cyclopaedic 22:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

More structure and history added from other sources Cyclopaedic (talk) 11:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I did not check the spelling or grammar becuase my s&g suck, hence the reason why that figure remains unassessed. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some additional points to consider

Fratricide was a very real consideration when barrages were used along with troop movement. One of the values of GPS is that it gives both precise time and position references that were not available in WWI. Start with Special reconnaissance#Offset GOLIS, and further content in that article, to see some of the methods where we still are trying to solve the fratricide problem. I think Special reconnaissance itself is relevant to the project

It might be of interest to look at countermeasures to artillery, starting with WWI techniques. If anyone looks at any of the MASINT articles, I'd like opinions if they and other intelligence articles are related to MilHist -- possibly the science subproject. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 16:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if countermeasures are relevant, but