Talk:Baron Abergavenny

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I am not certain this is correct. Bergavenny was originally a barony by tenure, and then separated from the lands. The daughter of the 2nd Marquess did not become co-heirs to the barony, and as far as I know, the current Marquess (6th) is the new Baron Bergavenny. wikibiohistory 15:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The barony by writ of 1397 is presumably in abeyance, if the usual rules apply to it. A barony by tenure presumably depends on the ownership of the lands held by the tenure of being one of the king's (or queen's) barons. However feudal tenures were abolished at the English Restoration. Accordingly an English (or Welsh) barony by tenure can hardly be regarded as more than an honorary position attached to the ownership of land. The question thus probably becomes that of who is the lord of the manor of Abergaveny. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barony by tenure

Should the title not be Baron of Abergavenny or Lord of Abergavenny, not Baron Abergavenny until the barony became a barony by writ? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)