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Contents 1 Philosophy 2 hey 3 "Not dating" 4 Cleanup 5 How Can We Be Silent bonus DVD 6 Sexual purity vs. sexual abstinence 7 Request for comment 8 Christian Rock Only?

[edit] Philosophy

The philosophy part, unless it is all a quote, does not sound very neutral. This should be changed. Godlord2 01:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I came to this discussion page to see of anyone else picked up on that. It is very point-of-view. --Rachel Cakes 01:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hey

i love your music!!! keep up the good christian outlook!! it's great to have someone like you 3 setting a good example!! thanks,cecily ashby

This isn't the band's website. This website provives info. If you want Barlow Girl to know this, go to http://www.myspace.com/barlowgirl

[edit] "Not dating"

Hi, a question here. The article contains the phrase "the band has also taken a stand on not dating." I've heard this formulation used by US Evangelicals who have chosen to abstain from sex before marriage, but I'm curious about what exactly it means. I know that the people I know who have chosen to be abstinent before marriage do want to get married, and don't want to have someone arrange a marriage for them with a stranger, so I wonder what exactly "dating" is taken to mean in this context. Does it mean "having a one-on-one social encounter with someone with whom you have a potential romantic interest", which is how I would define it? Or does "dating" automatically imply a sexual encounter when used in this context?

On this note, there's language other language here that may be confusing to readers who are not familiar with the culture of conservative US evangelicals, such as: "Besides believing in abstinence and modesty..." "Abstinence" here pretty obviously means "abstinence from sex before marriage," but "modesty" is a bit more confusing. I'm assuming from context it means some variation of "sexual modesty" -- i.e. the women in the group do not dress or behave in such a way as to draw attention to themselves sexually. However, "modesty" of course does not necessarily have a meaning related to sexuality -- it could just mean that they don't wish to brag about or draw undue attention to themselves or their achievements. Anyway, this should all be made more clear in context.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with these questions. I just want to improve the article by using language in a way that would be accessible to everyone, not just to people who are US evangelical Chriistians. --Jfruh (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Great question. I don't have an official source, but I could point you in the right direction. I know they are big on modest dressing. Check out the lyrics [1] for their song "Clothes". Also check out their song "Average Girl" talks about not dating, that God will provide the man for them. I think their official website has a section talking about their philosophy. They just overhauled their website, so the section might have been on their old design. Definitely check out the song "Barlow Girls" by Superchic[k] too.

While your checking out the lyrics, check out "Never Alone". Voted the #2 best lyrics for any song on my local Christian rock station. I anticipate this article potentially getting quite a few hits in the near future as "Never Alone" is currently being prepared for a mainstream radio release. So please do whatever you can to make this article unbiased so that Wikipedia's mainstream audience can understand BarlowGirl. BarlowGirl will be a household name in the U.S. if the song hits mainstream radio as big as it did on Christian radio.

I hope this helps! Royalbroil 23:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I recorded the quote about dating, and typed in the quote word for word from the quote read on the Weekend 22. Royalbroil ^{Talk  Contrib} 03:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Modesty, in this context, is not drawing attention to themselves sexually, nor revealing themselves in a way that is improper. They are also very modest in the fact that tey do not brag about their acheivements, but rather give God all the glory. Their veiw on dating actually leans more toward courtship, where the father chooses the man that he thinks is right for you, and get to know each-other through letters, chaperoned visits with each-other, etc. this is dating to marry. They believe that God will choose the right man for them, they don't need to get their hearts broken again and again trying to choose on their own. hope this helps! User:Cocoblue 20:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I've cleaned up the article to B-class standards, asnd removed the Wikify tag I added. Hope this helps. Hawker Typhoon 13:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How Can We Be Silent bonus DVD

The BarlowGirl article, as well as the one for How Can We Be Silent, states that the DVD contains all three of their music videos, which it doesn't. It only has "Never Alone" and "I Need You To Love Me", not "Grey". Also, though I don't know the exact length, it surely isn't 90 minutes of bonus footage. (I own this DVD.) WordyGirl90 13:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual purity vs. sexual abstinence

I changed sexual purity to sexual abstinence to make it more specific and a little less Christian POV. "Sexual purity" is way, way too broad and could mean a thousand different things. Sexual abstinence is alot more definable. CerealBabyMilk 23:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps chastity would be OK? CerealBabyMilk 23:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Chastity is much better, but not conservative enough. Their stand was far more conservative than chastity. The word "Sexual" should definitely be removed. Some lyrics from their song "Average Girl": Chasing after boys is not my thing - See I'm waiting for a wedding ring - No more dating - I'm just waiting. The song advocates not dating. Please read the section above on "Not dating" - it's much clearer than what I just wrote. Royalbroil 21:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

• Two anons have been having an edit war over the past week (diff) over content in the section. One uses a comment posted by an admin on their official forum to claim that no videos will be made for any songs from their current album (diff). Another claims to be an executive at their record label, and that they know first hand what will be happening (diff) I (User:Royalbroil) look at the WP:CRYSTAL policy and conclude neither should be included until they actually occur. The edit war also affects the album article How Can We Be Silent. Royalbroil 13:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

agreed. 'Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented.' I'd leave it off until a press release or official notice. If it continues, make a request for semi-protection so only registered users can make edits. --Neon white 23:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Wikipedia is not an advertising soapbox neither. If the information is relevant, wait until the event it describes becomes present/past tense and is verifiable. --Brendan Lloyd [ contribs ] 13:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Remove any unreliably sourced statements and ]]WP:NOR|original research]], and re-publish it once it is reliably sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamessugrono (talk • contribs) 14:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Rock Only?

The article says BarlowGirl's genre is Christian Rock, But I think their style goes beyond that.They definitely have Punk, Alternative Rock, and possibly some others. Should it be expanded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Granpire Viking Man (talk • contribs) 00:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Only if you can cite it from a reliable source. A review of their music is often a good place to find critics view of their music. I did add Contemporary Christian Music (a broad category like Top 40 Christian music), since it should be non-controversial with their numerous #1 hits in the genre. Royalbroil 04:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I have never seen an article citing sources for musical genres. Me personally, I think calling CCM a genre is crazy. There's Punk, Rap, Hardcore, Metal, even Heavy Metal and Punk rock CCM bands. It makes people think that Christian music is just old-fashioned music.Granpire Viking Man 23:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

CCM is as much of a genre as Top 40 music is - it is composed of a variety of acts each within their own genre. Not really a genre but a collection of variable music types. The first C in CCM means "contemporary" (it's not old-fashioned as you probably understand).

How can you source some act's genre? WP:SOURCE is a POLICY, thus set in stone, requiring reliable sources to verify. Without sourcing you get edit wars with everyone stating their opinion. I've been watching the Travis McCoy article since it was started, and his genres are constantly changed by anons. There should be some music reviews that categorizes their sound - BarlowGirl is a well-known Christian group! Royalbroil 20:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

How's this?: http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/reviews/2007/howcanwebesilent.html

Sounds like … the dramatic pop-metal of Evanescence with the modern pop/rock style of Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne, and Krystal Meyers.

And I challenge you to find one article that cites its sources for musical genres. --Granpire Viking Man 01:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I decline your challenge because it's too difficult. I shouldn't be so strict - sometimes it's better to ignore all rules. I completely agree that BarlowGirl sounds like Evanescence, so both should be in the simular genres. The other 3 are pretty close, so go for it. I do content that their sound has numerous flavors, so the large category CCM should be appropriate. Royalbroil 04:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I know that CCM would cover it, but that's not enough. Do you think that we should mark Evenascence or any other rock band just plain Mainstream music? Then why should we leave this article to just CCM?--Granpire Viking Man 23:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I wasn't clear. Evanescence is labeled Alternative Rock then so it should BarlowGirl. Kelly Clarkson is Pop, pop rock, R&B, rock, adult contemporary, and country. I would not call Barlowgirl R&B or country. So I suggest adding the following genres: Christian rock, alternative rock, rock, adult contemporary, and Contemporary Christian music. Royalbroil 05:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Well then what were you waiting for? : )--Granpire Viking Man 23:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Consensus. Sounds like I have it. Royalbroil 00:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)