Talk:Baritone saxophone

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Contents 1 Weight 2 Flat signs 3 New additions 4 Infobox 5 Simpson's

[edit] Weight

It would be useful instead of saying it has "exceptional weight", to actually say how much it weighs. This is an encyclopedia, not a literary work--- WELL ACTUALLY IT VARYS FROM MODEL TO MODEL

:).  --Blainster 15:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

You could "Google" it yourself. Badagnani 20:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flat signs

The new flat signs don't look good, and the commas/semicolons are messed up. Badagnani 06:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New additions

If Nick Brignola, Gary Smulyan, and Ronnie Cuber are notable enough to warrant mention in the "notable players" section, why is there a Wikipedia article for none of them? Badagnani 17:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

No one has added them yet? Seriously, jazz seems to be one of wikipedia's neglected stepchildren. I'm a Wiki-newbie, but once I've become more experienced I will add some other noteworthy jazz artists. Of course Claire Daly and multi-instrumentalist James Carter would be further notable baritone players to be included. References are the annual Down Beat readers' and critics' polls of the past few years. Unfortunately I can't access them online and don't have the printed Down Beat issues upon me for quotes. I did find http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:ZC2QwT33-hoJ:www.divajazz.com/articles/downbeat_poll.pdf+downbeat+poll+baritone+smulyan&hl=en&gl=ch&ct=clnk&cd=4&ie=UTF-8 and http://jazzjournalistsawards.com/music.html (of course Nick Brignola isn't with us anymore, so you wont find him in any current poll.) I also conducted a google-count and Joe Temperley has 20700 counts, The players you ask about have more counts (Nick Brignola has 32'200, Gary Smulyan has 46'300, Cecil Payne has 71'100, Ronnie Cuber has 74'900). For these reasons I believe they deserve to be mentioned in the 'notable players' section and, as suggested by you, also each merit their own Wikipedia articles.

Sluzzelin 20:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Jazz is rather neglected period - hadn't you noticed its heyday was decades ago? Considering the length of the article, I think we should probably just stick to those historically famous, otherwise we're just going to have a giant player list here and it's going to overshadow the actual article text. ¦ Reisio 12:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes I had noticed that :P. Given the influence jazz has had on soul, funk, rock&roll, rock, pop etc I consider it equally relevant to, say, classical music, whose heyday was more than just decades ago. For this reason I would like to see more and more informative jazz articles on Wikipedia. It doesn't matter to me whether you delete the baritone saxophonists I added or not. But if you do, don't you agree that Joe Temperley gets a lot of attention in this article? (He IS a solid player, don't get me wrong. Anyway I already explained my reasoning in the last post: Down Beat Polls and google-count.)84.75.129.157 15:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC) Sorry forgot to log in. Signed Sluzzelin 15:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

How come Steve Kupka is not mentioned?

[edit] Infobox

The infobox just added is wrong in terms of the lower range. It goes down to low A, not B-flat on most instruments. Please fix this. Badagnani 22:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simpson's

lisa simpson blatantly does not play the bari sax for two main reasons. one the saophone featured in the simpson's does not bear resemplance to a bari, it has no neck loop. and two: she is eight years old, how many eight year olds have either the lung capacity or are physically large enough to play a bari? I would approximate a Bari sax is taller than most 8 year olds. 86.112.209.90 22:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that, but... who knows, does it really matter in the end? Whsitchy 22:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

This says it's probably a baritone: http://www.snpp.com/guides/lisa-3.html Badagnani 23:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, but for the record, it looks like a curved soprano or a alto. What it sounds like however, is a tenor or alto, that site doesnt know sax for crap, and 'probably' isent good enough.Turnni1[[]]

Sorry folks, I played baritone saxophone for many years and the sound is definitely a bari -- some notes ranges below that which can be hit by the tenor sax. Lisa's bari is played by musician Terry Harrington. Terry is promoted as being "Lisa Simpson's baritone sax": http://www.media.wayne.edu/release.php?id=384 http://www.ufo-bass.com/woodwind.htm.

You can see the bari sax (and no tenor sax) credits on all the songs where Lisa plays the saxophone: http://www.snpp.com/guides/discog.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_in_the_Key_of_Springfieldhttp: //www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=703872

The artwork is not technically correct for any sax. It appears to looks to me to be a bari/tenor hybrid, with up and then downsharp curvature more like the bari (the tenor is a much more gradual bend). But most pictures lack the bari's full loop (but some actually have the downward dip from the mouthpiece). Lisa is too small to play either tenor and bari, and they are definately scaled to make it seem she can reach the keys -- but you have to give the artists a creative pass (it is a cartoon!)http://www.jazzeddie.f2s.com/sax&Lisa_simpson.htmhttp://www.shmuelyosef.com/Saxophones/Lisa_history.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.134.205 (talk) 00:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)