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Were celtic monarchs always male, or does this article need adjusting for non-sexist language? Martin

Yes, they were. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iasos (talk • contribs)
No, Celtic rulers were not always male; s.v. Boudicca, and Cathmadua, and, delving into pseudo-mythic history, Medb.

DigitalMedievalist 06:22, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC) Lisa

This needs revision; bards are either Irish or Welsh; there's some conflation with the role of the filidh. The English closest equivalent to the Celtic bard is the scop; the traveling minstrel, much later in literary history what is described here as the English bard; the minstrel is roughly equivalent to the French jongleur. I'll try to help later. DigitalMedievalist 06:26, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC) Lisa

That may be true in a sense, certainly after England became distinct from Celtic culture, but the celts lived right across Britain as well as the north of western europe for some time. Surely Bards would have been common across the whole British Isles as well as france, spain etc. All these countries have areas even today that bear remnants of old celtic culture. (Cornwall, Brittany, Barcelona)

Lostsocks 15:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Lostsocks - I'm not an expert on Celtic Bards but geography tells me if they were in Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Cornwall it seems odd to imply that they were never in the rest of what is now called England - is that really right? I'd suggest just putting "the british isles" but I know that geoghraphical phrase is a hot potato... how about adding England to the list? The Celtic presence there seem to often be forgotten.

--PRL1973 21:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

While individuals like Bards certainly occurred in other areas of Europe, since the term itself was originally Celtic, those in England would not have been known as bards. Remember also that Bards from Wales and Ireland, etc., would have spoken Welsh and Irish, etc., and so wouldn't have fared very well as entertainers elsewhere. Buirechain 14:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buirechain (talk • contribs)

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[edit] Stray text

Removing this bit of stray text. It looks like someone who didn't know how was trying to insert a reference, but what remains is incomplete and simply displays as an orphaned phrase within the article.

<references /> The Making of Modern Ireland, J. C. Beckett.

If anyone knows what this belongs to, feel free to reinsert it as a proper reference. 12.22.250.4 21:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Questionable Latin background

There needs to be some kind of citation for the claim that Bard comes from the Latin term 'bardus'; the word means 'slow, stupid, or dull' which does not exactly mold well with the connotation of the bard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.127.77 (talk) 06:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)