Talk:Barbara Bain

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I was outraged to read ctress Barbara Bain referred to in your article about her as a "Jewish-American" actress. What moron wrote this? I have yet to see anyone called a "Christian-American." How incredibly bigoted and insulting to Jews. I can't even begin to list the ways in which this is offensive. I'd like to see the expression taken out of the article -- it's flat bigoted -- no Jews in American call themselves "Jewish-Americans."

Shame on you and the Creep-American who wrote it.

Belle Schwartz San Francisco

The person who inserted that phrasing, User:Vulturell is a self-styled "Wikipedia's big celebrity ethnic/religious background expert... If there's an actor profile out there I haven't updated... well, I probably still will." I don't think that he means it as an insult, but I can understand your point. I've removed the reference. -- PKtm 02:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, our American Jews article speficially refers to the term Jewish American. As we do Italian American and Irish American. These are all common terms refering to ethnicity-nationality. We don't have Christian American because that's specifically a religion, not an ethnic background. I made this update a long time ago, since then me and anyone working on similar areas have stopped putting that kind of info into the first sentence, and instead it now goes under "Early Life" or something later down (the same for calling someone an Italian American). Your problem, Ms. Schwartz, is clearly with the term itself, "Jewish American", and in that case it has nothing to do with Barbara Bain. Your complaint should go over to the long article titled American Jews. Vulturell 03:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Anyway, I've fixed up the article to now say "Bain was born Millicent Fogel to a Jewish American family in Chicago, Illinois.". See a similar wording in Martin Scorsese, "Martin Scorsese came from a working class Italian-American family". Vulturell 03:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, but with all due respect, I have to say that I think you're missing the reader's point. She seemed to object to Bain, specifically, being identified as to her ethnic heritage, because that heritage has nothing to do with Bain's career (unlike, say, Woody Allen). It strikes me, too, as fairly random and irrelevant to refer to Bain's ethnic derivation, and in particular, to edit the article so that it pointedly makes that heritage known. Ethnicity is irrelevant for the vast majority of us Americans, unless we choose to make our ethnic background a specific focus of our lives. I know of nothing about Bain's career that would indicate to me that she's done so, so why drop in on her article and point out her ethnic heritage? Please consider removing the reference entirely. -- PKtm 13:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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This is Michael 14:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC). I wrote the original text of this article, but didn't include the reference "Jewish American". I removed it... Just so there isn't any more discussion that gets out of hand... Michael 14:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)