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Contents 1 Text of article 2 Ramat Gan is not a suburb of Tel Aviv 3 Maybe more Complicated than You Thought, but agree! 4 Weasel words in "History" section

[edit] Text of article

For the person who replaced the article with text copied from BIU's site: please don't do it. I'm reverting it to the previous version.

Wikipedia articles have a certain form - they should include a first paragraph which defines the thing described very shortly. In this case, the first paragraph should say that Bar Ilan is a University in In Israel. This is not obvious, certainly not to some non-Israeli which stumbles across this article. Wikipedia articles also have links between them, sections, and other features. When you copy plain text from another site, you're not only breaking copyright laws (unless you asked BIU for permission - if you did please mention it in the edit log!), you're losing all that. Your article started with "history of Bar-Ilan". History of what? What is Bar-Ilan? Where is it? Why is it important enough to have an article? An article cannot start the way you started it.

So you're welcome to edit this article, but try not to replace it at one go with unformatted text. And please don't insert copyrighted text into wikipedia, before getting explicit permission to make that text GFLD. Nyh

Totally agree Nyh, however the original article is more than a little biased also, in fact to me it reads like it too has been taken from the University's own publicity materials. e.g "Bar-Ilan University: a peerless congregation of scientists and Jewish studies scholars toiling to synthesize the ancient and the modern, the sacred and the material, the spiritual and the scientific." If that wasn't written by a marketing person, then I'm more stupid than I thought I was. The whole article needs to be rewritten by someone who a) knows about the subject matter and b) understands the rules of NPOV. --Lancevortex 14:37, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I agree. This article definitely needs rewriting... But replacing it with text copied from a website is probably not the answer :( Nyh 15:08, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Just discovered that the original/current text is also taken directly from the BIU site — see BIU mission. I'm going to delete the article and create a stub. --Lancevortex 15:40, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm. ISAK's additions are again, just directly taken from the marketing materials from the Bar-Ilan University website. Relevant quotes are fine, but what you have done, ISAK, is a)copyright violation -- just putting quotation marks around the text doesn't change that; b) POV, and c) makes for a crap article. I'm deleting the entire "Rabbi Pinchas Churgin" section (come on -- the heading doesn't even describe the content of the section). There may be some relevant information in what I delete, in which case anyone is free to put it back. But please, not in the form it's currently in. --Lancevortex 09:58, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

• Well Hmmmmmmmmmmm to you Lancevortex: Only now, over two years later after your own crappy comments do I bump into them. Kindly review the edit history and show me where I did what you allege. I do not copy text from websites, although I did add a link to one, which may have then turned out to be where someone else got it from. Anyhow my user name is IZAK not ISAK. IZAK 11:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ramat Gan is not a suburb of Tel Aviv

The two cities have common border, that's all. Easily verifiable. Removed the words "suburb of Tel Aviv".

[edit] Maybe more Complicated than You Thought, but agree!

If we consider halachic principle marking the Tchum Shabbat then they are even the same city, even if they have different names and are different political identities within Israel. However there are other principles that may define it as different cities for other purposes and I don't only mean for "gittin" (divorce papers that must state the city they where issued) and Ketuvot (nupcial contracts.. likewise!) but also other legal principles that regard more than the actual name of the city like are the reading of Meguilah (Smuchot) that distinguishes a city built by itself from another one even if they grew one into the other afterwards for the purpose of reading the Book of Esther in the festivity of Purim. (since the ones stated are more variations of the name than the city itself and could be distinguished for our discussion under that argument). Therefore, it is my opinion that according to Jewish law (which is not entirely applied in Israel by some) it could be considered that Ramat Gan and Tel Aviv are actually the same city deppending on whether or not they where initiated together, which of course is a negative... but... the discussion was worth a while!!! :-)

[edit] Weasel words in "History" section

The article states that some professors try to gain tenure by pretending to be religious, and some people question the religious character of BIU, etc. Could we have solid claims with references, please? Speculation is not helpful. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 12:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)