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[edit] Proposed Deletion

That an article is considered NPOV is not a valid reason to delete it. Also, while this article certantly needs to be wikified, that it hasnt been touched in a month is a bit excessive when there are articles that have been so tagged for over a year. Are there better articles on this subject? If so, could you point them out so a merge or AfD can be considered? Resolute 05:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

There already is a properly written article about the current steroids investigation (2006 Baseball steroids investigation) and the Barry Bonds article already contains all the relevant information about his involvement in the current steroid scandal (as does the Balco article). The current article not only hasn't been wikified at all, it's also not even an encyclopedia entry - it reads like someone's personal blog ruminations. If not deleted (none of the well-researched articles about this subject even reference this page in any way), it certainly needs to be heavily gutted and rewritten. 67.23.84.171 14:37, 31 August 789 B.C. (UTC)

I agree that this article does require virtually a complete rewrite, and I will set about trying to clean it up. However, while the Balco and 2006 Baseball steroids investigation deal with specific incidents, the problem of steroids, and drug use in general, pre-exists both of these cases. This article could act as a topical overview. Resolute 16:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Resolute, I can help out also after the next few weeks. A general overview can include some useful things like Tom House's allegations from the 70s. Perhaps maybe transitioning this into an area off the Doping in Sport article, Doping in baseball? Things like the Milner grand jury about Mays' amphetamine use or Rose's admissions are scattered throughout the various baseball drug articles. I would definitely like if someone would look over what I write - some of the pieces I've written for newspapers have to do with Bonds and I want to be careful about not crossing over into original research.DSZ 23:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I was thinking something along the same lines. Writing about the historical controversies regarding drug use in baseball would improve this article, I would think. I like the idea of calling the article Doping in baseball, and if nobody disagrees, I'll probably move the article shortly. At any rate, I have wikified this article with a few minor rewrites, and will begin to completely rewrite and reference the article in the next few days. I'm sure that we can write a much better article on baseball's dark side. Resolute 00:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite ongoing

I'm slowly rewriting and adding to this article. I've also populated it amongst other related articles. Resolute 04:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sosa-creatine

Creatine has been proven safe in hundreds and hundreds of studies. Additionally, maybe I'm worng but I don't remember any serious controversy surrounding Sosa regarding creatine in 1998. Quadzilla99 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree, Creatine is not banned by any major sports league and is used by many, many athletes in different sports. I don't recall any controversy regarding his decision to use creatine, just as I've never heard of any controversy regarding many athlete's use of protein supplements and other legal "GNC variety" supplements. McGwire's andro controversy I suppose is less controversial, but he made no secret of his use of the supplement, nor did baseball ban it at the time. I suppose a rewording of the segment is in order, perhaps not "dogged by his use of" but rather something less harsh and seemingly less incriminating of wrongdoing, since technically, he was not breaking any rules.

[edit] Title Change?

Anyone else think we should possibly change the name of this article from "Steroids in baseball" to "Performance Enhancing Drugs in Baseball?" The ephedra that contributed to Belcher's death is not a steroid, and neither is human growth hormone. I know that all these drugs have come to be colloquially known as 'steroids' but strictly speaking, it's incorrect. Steroids include the muscle building testosterone-analogues with a certain general chemical structure, but also include useful drugs used to treat a wide-array of medical conditions including asthma, arthritis, skin conditions and assorted others. I'm not going to be brave on this one as my work in the medical field likely skews my point of view. Anyone else???

I also agree with the assertion, ephedra was not an anabolic steroid; it was a supplement designed to help athlete's lose weight, however isnt HGH in the chemical class of compounds known as steroids?
I agree, steroids are just a part of the issue. There are far more enhancing drugs out there in baseball than we think. This should be a more broad article. Conman33 03:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with the title change as well. THe author even wrote it in his article about Ephedra. THere you go, it's not just steroids. Let's change it (Weston 19:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC))

How about changing the name to 'Banned Substances in Baseball'? That encapsulates things like Ephedra (which isn't really performance enhancing) --EndlessDan 20:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Juiced-JoseCanseco.jpg

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[edit] What did baseball do about steroids and when did they do it?

I can't believe that I came here looking for the current baseball policy on steroids and found nothing, except a mention in the intro that says that they're banned. But it's also clear that they weren't always. When did it change? What kind of testing is done? Seems pretty important to me. Unschool 03:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mark McGwire's rejection by Hall of Fame voters

The section that referred to McGwire "whos [sic] credentials appear to meet and even exceed the usual expectations for first ballot Hall of Fame election" was not only misspelled but factually incorrect. While McGwire's 583 career home runs, punctuated by a then-record 70 during the 1998 season, are generally regarded as Hall-worthy, many pundits view his other career statistics (.263 batting average, 1,626 hits, and 1,596 strikeouts) and especially his post-season record (.217 BA and 5 HR in 129 AB) as unremarkable.

There is little question that concerns over McGwire's use of PEDs cost him votes, but many voters (not electors) noted that they would not have voted for him on the first ballot even absent these concerns.

In other words, while a strong argument can certainly be made for McGwire's inclusion based on his home run achievements, he was not universally considered a statistical "lock" for the Hall of Fame by voters, as a simple Google search can easily verify. 24.20.116.160 06:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steroid Problem Timeline

Although this article cites "the mid-1990s" as the timeframe for the start of the steroid prolem, I have read multimple articles that suggest that the problem goes back farther than that, perhaps much farther. e.g. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/05/03/SPGSTCJ0SK1.DTL. I propose at least a mention of the possibility of earlier problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.167.48.3 (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Whats Banned?

Hi fellow editors, i was wondering if this article should have a list of "Banned substances in baseball" and when they were banned and if they are illegal. (Hypnosadist) 08:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You would think. The most appropriate title for this article as it currently stands is "Substance abuse in baseball". I think this article should be renamed and another article dealing with Pine Tar, etc should be created. spryde | talk 12:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Based on the article's title, I came here looking for the same thing, a chronological list. I second the name change suggested by spryde. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 06:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't want the name changed I want to know what substances are banned in baseball. (Hypnosadist) 11:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

There's a list in the article on the Major League Baseball Drug policy. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 00:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for finding that for me but i feel that list should be this article, and the info in this article moved to Major League Baseball drug policy. (Hypnosadist) 13:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Error

Barry Bonds is not banned from baseball, so whoever put that is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.61.77 (talk) 00:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)