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[edit] ... and another new start
There were further personal attacks. I archived the page to get them out of view. I think we're done here. I hope some people are going to hop in and improve the article. kmccoy (talk) 04:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Appearance
A question about the appearance section:
Is that an actual breed standard or just a description?
If it's just a description then it should be general enough to represent all bandogs, including those of the SSDA.
If it's a breed standard, then who wrote it and which breeders (or group of breeders) follow it? Saying that the SSDA follows a different standard implies that every other bandog breeder follows the one in the appearance section.77.49.135.251 07:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- It was already agreed upon to remove the appearance section all together during the first discussion, for the exact same reasons as you have stated, there are too many variations for it to apply to everybody. When all of this is sorted one of the first things to go will be the appearance section. Vitaliy G 12:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Picture
Can someone please provide a better (sharper, perhaps a profile shot displaying the body better)? For the time being can someone also please identify the dog in the picture (name, accomplishments, owner)? by Vitaliy G 13:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
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- I seem to remember that picture from several years ago, May be a dog off Donald Stock's yard but I could be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.15.157.55 (talk) 15:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] History
I was thinking about the history section, and I feel that it needs to be rewritten to reflect some of the issues with identifying the origin. Besides, I do not feel that the fact that dogs have evolved from wolf really can be related when discussing a dog from Midieval time period. How do you feel replacing it with the following, and working from there:
Historians have identified numerous sources from Middle England that discuss Bandogs but they are still not able to identify the exact origin. Part of the issue is that during that time there were not as many dog breeds around, or kennel registrars, instead people referred to dogs by types depending on the work that they did. For example there was no specific dog that was called a Bulldog, just about every butchers and fighting dog was referred to as a Bulldog. Since there was no breed it would be hard to identify origin or categorize the game dog that would be crossed with a Mastiff to create a Bandog.
In 1576, Dr. Caius states that, among others characteristics, the "Mastiff or Bandogge is serviceable against the fox and the badger, to drive wild and tame swine out of meadows, and pastures, to bite and take the bull by the ears, when occasion so required."
William Harrison, in his description of England during 1586, first mentions the breed in his statement, "Bandogge which is a huge dog, stubborn, uglier, eager, burthenouse of bodie, terrible and fearful to behold and often more fierce and fell than any Archadian or Corsican cur." It is assumed that the word "Bandogge" originated from the use of strong bonds and chains to secure the dogs.
The Bandogs of old were strictly working dogs, often of various crosses and various sizes. Usually these dogs were coarse-haired hunters, fighters and property protectors without a strictly set type, developed from eastern shepherds and mastiffs crossed with western Bullenbeissers and hounds, with a few local bloodlines eventually being established as specific types in some regions, such as Britain, Spain, Germany, Poland and elsewhere in Europe. One of the most famous Bandog programs in England led to the establishment of a recognized breed, the Bullmastiff.
by Vitaliy G 01:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
