Talk:Banastre Tarleton

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1 Waxhaw Massacre
2 Article on Banastre Tarleton
3 Church Massacre
4 Moving entire trivia section to talk

[edit] Waxhaw Massacre

"On May 29, 1780 Tarleton, with a force of 700, overtook a detachment of 350 Virginia Continentals led by Abraham Buford. Facing much larger numbers, Buford nevertheless refused to yield."pie

At the time, Tarleton led a force of 270 men: 130 Legion dragoons, 40 17th Light Dragoons, and 100 British Legion infantry (who rode with the dragoons). Of those, only about 150 British soldiers in an advance party were engaged in the massacre. The number 700 comes from a letter Tarleton sent with a Captain, in which he greatly exaggerated the size of his force in the hopes it would cause Buford to surrender. Buford's forces, at 350 to 380 men, greatly outnumbered Tarleton's.[1]--Ryan! 02:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article on Banastre Tarleton

appears to use the term "matriculated" when it should read "graduated."

TRushing208.27.203.124 23:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Church Massacre

The church massacre in the film was not based upon something the Nazi's did two hundred years later on another continent, but I contend is based upon and closely resembles an actual event during the American Revolution. It is based upon an infamous event where American militia under the command of Colonel David Williamson massacred the peaceful Moravian Indians at Gnadenhuetten in the fall of 1781. BradMajors 15:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Any cites for that having been the origin of the event in the film? Otherwise, it's just OR. --Orange Mike 16:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, the current article does not have any cites that this event is based upon Oradour-sur-Glane. Yes, there do exist references which state this event is based upon Oradour-sur-Glane and other references which state it is based upon Gnadenhuetten. However, I believe this event more closely resembles Gnadenhuetten. There is currently no article in the Wiki on Gnadenhuetten, but I will eventually add one if no one else does. There do exist articles elsewhere on Gnadenhuetten. BradMajors 17:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an article on the Gnadenhutten massacre; you may have missed it because of the tricky spelling. In my opinion, the church atrocity in The Patriot doesn't closely resemble Gnadenhutten, where the victims were bludgeoned to death rather than burned alive. I would be surprised if the filmmakers of The Patriot ever heard of the Gnadenhutten massacre. Some film critics, like at salon, obviously felt that the scene resembled the Nazi atrocity, which is why we can report it here. Our own analysis of what the scene most closely resembles has no relevance on Wikipedia. Personally, I think it far more likely that the scene was simply borrowed from a nearly identical one in First Knight, because Hollywood hacks don't study history; they study other movies. But this is just my guess, and of course it cannot go in the article unless a reliable source has published the theory. —Kevin Myers 16:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it is important to point out that locking people inside a building and burning it has been used extensively for tyrannical military commanders in other works. This doesn't make them "Hollywood Hacks" necessarily. It is just a good way to make people look evil through symbolism (fire, imprisonment) and deed (massacre of innocents). Similar scenes are in Disney's Hunchback and the book Everything is Illuminated. 68.48.164.97 (talk) 15:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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The Hollywood movie The Patriot (2000) portrayed a character (Colonel William Tavington played by Jason Isaacs) based on Tarleton as a cruel, sadistic commander who massacred prisoners of war and innocent civilians. Although the character in The Patriot dies during the American Revolution, the real life Tarleton did not. [2] "Tavington" is shown burning an American church with the villagers locked inside, an atrocity based on an infamous Nazi war crime from World War II. [3][4] This controversial portrayal prompted Edwin Clein, the mayor of Liverpool, to demand an apology from the filmmakers for what he regarded as a misrepresentation and vilification of a Liverpudlian hero. [5]

Tarleton is also portrayed in the 2006 film Amazing Grace (played by Ciarán Hinds) as the main opponent in the British Parliament to the abolitionists, led by William Wilberforce.

Tarleton is additionally mentioned in the Bernard Cornwell novel Sharpe's Eagle, and is represented as being "related" to Sir Henry Simmerson, colonel of the South Essex Regiment.