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I've re-written some of the article, previously much of it appeared to perpetuate the bananadine myth.

The line bananadine which, when correctly prepared, can be smoked with hallucinogenic symptoms is misleading, because bananadine doesn't exist, so it can't be prepared or smoked. Also, believed to be a hoax implies there is some doubt whether it is a hoax when it's a well documented fact that bananadine originated as a joke.

Removed the paragraph starting; Bananadine's creation is very simple. Bananadine's creation isn't simple, it's physically impossible, because it doesn't exist.

Psychonaut3000 19:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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I think we should rather merge this article into the one on Hallucinogenic effects of banana peels, because the "existence" of bananadine substance relies on this story - Seth Nimbosa Seth Nimbosa 19 November 2006

  • Oppose - Bananadine is the main subject, the Hallucinogenic effects should only be a sub-section of the main subject (along with history, etc). Regardless of the fact it's all a myth, to make Bananadine only a sub-section of Hallucinogenic effects of banana peels would be like having a main article entitled Hallucinogenic effects of LSD and then having the actual information about LSD listed within it. There's no logical reason to change the accepted format. 172.214.141.81 03:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Note - Seth Nimbosa went ahead and performed this merge even though I clearly opposed it and listed my reasons. WAvegetarian has now undone this contested merge and reinstated the original merge tags the way they were previously. Psychonaut3000 02:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Merge proposal

Merging Hallucinogenic effects of banana peels into Bananadine (ie the original merge proposal, before Seth Nimbosa altered the merge tags to reverse the direction of the move)

  • Support - my reasons are the same as the oppose reasons for the previous (reverse) merge; Bananadine is the main subject, the Hallucinogenic effects should only be a sub-section of the main subject (along with history, etc). Regardless of the fact it's all a myth, to make Bananadine only a sub-section of Hallucinogenic effects of banana peels would be like having a main article entitled Hallucinogenic effects of LSD and then having the actual information about LSD listed within it. There's no logical reason to change the accepted format. (172.214.141.81 was my IP when didn't log in).
  • Also, the Bananadine article was created in March 2005. Hallucinogenic effects of banana peels was only started 2 months ago and shouldn't have even been created as the information is much the same as the original article. Psychonaut3000 02:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Support: Bananadine is the proper subject; "Hallucinogenic effects of banana peels" would not be a viable subject if not for the myth. Punctured Bicycle 18:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I do apologize for not checking first with the community's reaction to my "proposal" :: to be honest, I was ignorant of the process..

I abstain now, for the purpose of promoting goodwill among Wikipedians. .: Seth Nimbosa :. 05:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC) However, I do not agree to Psychonaut's notion that subsuming Bananadine to Hallucinogenic effects is like

having a main article entitled Hallucinogenic effects of LSD and then having the actual information about LSD listed within it

first, because LSD refers to a real substance produced, unlike bananadine which is a joke from the start and non-existent second, the term Bananadine itself was not invented until one or 2 years after the myth on hallucinogenic effects of banana peels circulated ..That's all

[edit] Month

"Donovan's hit single "Mellow Yellow" was released that same month" -> which one ?

  • March. --Auric 23:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I just fixed that sentence. I assume this immediately followed the Berkeley Barb sentence in an earlier version of the article. BTW, I've read that "Mellow Yellow" is actually about a vibrator, I'll try and grab the source some time. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banana Poops

Does any one know what a banana poop is? I'm going to go ahead and change it to banana peel.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.146.4 (talk • contribs)

Just juvenile vandelism. Thanks for fixing it. :) Feezo (Talk) 21:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

i guess we should take them back to the store.

[edit] toluene

The wiki article Berkeley Barb claims that "Interestingly enough, the skins do contain a measurable amount of toluene, which is also found in airplane glue."

If true, this needs to be added. Otherwise it needs to be taken off the Berkeley Barb article.

[edit] Chemicals in Bananas

I am not happy with the accuracy of this section. Nk.sheridan   Talk 23:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, as far as I was able to verify it, it is incorrect. None of the references offered suggest that "banana peels do contain the psychoactive neurotransmitters tyramine and dopamine". Moreover, if you look at the full text of [1], bananas contain pretty low amount of tyramine. The publicly available abstracts of Leathwood, Sainio or Xiao work neither prove nor disprove the contention that "Bananas contain tryptophan", and that may "lead to various mood-altering effects". Bananas do contain about 20 mg/kg of serotonin (5HT); however, serotonin from food is not able to penetrate into the brain and so cannot result in any kind of psychoactive effects. If anyone wants to return portions of this section into the article, I request, per WP guidelines, the exact quotations from the peer-reviewed literature that would support the claims below. The text of the disputed section follows


  • Even though researchers at New York University have found that banana peels contain no intoxicating chemicals, banana peels do contain the psychoactive neurotransmitters tyramine and dopamine in significant amounts that if ingested are enough to affect people. The most characteristic effect of the interaction is a massive increase in blood pressure, leading to a hypertensive crisis, and possibly arrhythmia and death.[2] Bananas contain tryptophan which, when ingested, increases levels of serotonin in the body. This can lead to various mood-altering effects (Leathwood and Pollet, 1982) including a reduction in depression (Sainio et al., 1996). As well, Xiao et al. (1998) found that eating just two bananas a day for three days increased levels of serotonin in the blood by 16%. However, there is no mention in the literature of tryptophan having any hallucinogenic effects; it has, in fact, been used to reduce hallucinations in patients with mental disorders (Sainio et al., 1996).
  • Leathwood, P.D. and Pollet, P. (1982) "Diet-induced mood changes in normal populations" J. Psychiat. Res. 17(2):147-154
  • Sainio, E.L., Pulkki, K. and Young, S.N. (1996) "L-Tryptophan: Biochemical, nutritional and pharmacological aspects" Amino Acids 10:21-47
  • Xiao, R., Beck, O. and Hjemdahl, P. (1998) "On the accurate measurement of serotonin in whole blood" Scand. J. Clin. Lab. Invest. 58: 505-510

Paul Gene (talk) 11:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)