Talk:Balochistan conflict

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is part of WikiProject Pakistan which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Pakistan and Pakistan-related topics. For guidelines see WikiProject Pakistan and Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ.
Start This article has been rated as start-Class on the quality scale.
(If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)
Mid This article has been rated as mid-importance on the importance scale.


Contents

[edit] POV

This article reads to me as highly biased, but I am not sufficiently familiar with the subject to put it right.Woblosch 22:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

There is still some clear POV in this article. Someone with more knowledge of the subject should remove it. Brianski 02:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


This page was apparently vandalized. It listed Baluchistan as a region west of the strait of Hormuz, which it obviously isn't. I put in a vague fix, but somebody with more knowledge of a)wiki, b) the subject should fix it properly.--Anniepoo 19:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


"Pakistan blamed India and Iran for fanning insurgency in Baluchistan" where is the citation for this?? If this is not POV then I don't know what is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naran123 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] this article need edits

Since Pakistan's independence, tribal lords including Bugti, Murree and Mengal have used tribal chiefs to keep balouchistani people backwards and illiterate by systematically opposing any attempts to establish modern educational institutions in their areas of influence.

this Bogus article written by Pakistani rather then neutral person so i will edit. he wrote that some Bugit and Murree saradr kept backward to there peoples ok in there area, ok for while . what about region they have no approach like in Makran which is not govern by any of them ,these above words are just joke, Kudzar University is in area of Mengal they did not stop it to open university in there areas. i will more agree with words Sadar and Pakistan Government kept them back word.


Khalidkhoso 09:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Absolute rubbish of an Article

Spelling mistakes, Grammatical mistakes, biased points of view, someone fix this godforsaken article please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.27.254.122 (talk) 13:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Scrubbing

I am scrubbing the article. There is some stuff in here that makes no sense at all (grammatically speaking). Could someone help me proof it and basically expand and Wikifi it with me? WashFM 21:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Alrighty, I am done for today. Please proof today's work if you are so inclined. Ciao! WashFM 23:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Your work sounds to Pro-Government so i will edit .Beacuse it does not Give NPOV approach. Khalidkhoso 23:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
You can correct Grammer But can not remove Stuff. Khalidkhoso 23:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I have made some changes to Make it more Netural.Hope you will Like it .have good time in wiki.Khalidkhoso 00:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
For more read this too (Neutral Resource)[[1]]

He cites the security forces, deployed in Quetta, and the reports of new military cantonments cropping up at many places in Balochistan, as evidence that: "The army wishes to take control of Balochistan and suppress the rights of the Baloch people." He also maintains Balochistan's immense energy resources, mainly in the form of natural gas located at Sui, are being "stolen" from it. Khalidkhoso 01:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


also see this((Neutral Resource)) [[2]] and u can also have some galance on this too [[3]]. Khalidkhoso 01:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
read this too((Neutral Resource)) [[4]]Khalidkhoso 01:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Settling Punjabis in Baluchistan((Neutral Resource) [[5]] Khalidkhoso 01:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Khoso, I can understand where you must be coming from on this topic and I can now see that you feel very strongly about it. First of all I would like to clarify something before I say anything else. I am here to make this article worthy of reading and for an average person to get a basic NPOV understanding of the nature of the conflict. I am not here to justify the acts of one side or the other. My first concern was to improve on the article as in it's previous state it was not worthy to be included on Wiki, let alone any other site that expects to be taken seriously. I wish to make this article a good resource to consult on the ongoing conflict. If we make it into a propaganda flyer to further the cause of BLA or BLF no one will accept it's validity. If you read thru my edits you will see that I have tried to take a very cautious approach. I want you to work with me and not against me by labeling my edit as 'Pro-Government'. I did not wish to come across as such. The stuff I removed (one paragraph) made absolutely no sense to me and hence I removed it. If you could re-write it I could perhaps try to understand what needs to be conveyed. I think some things that we need to work on in this article are:
  • Get some citations
  • More references (preferably neutral and non partisan)
  • Not label one side as infidels and the others as martyrs (goes towards bias and POV)
Let me know what you think. WashFM 17:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear I think we can work together but we need to mention both side story rather then one. You can check your edits; your article did not fulfill NPOV approach, so I made some edits on it. I just want this article to be more neutral in Nature. If this is what you want then we can use many resources as i mentioned above and Book written By Khan of Kalat. Khalidkhoso 19:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
check this link (Neutral Resource)[[6]]According to a January 2006 statement by Pakistani Senator Sanaullah Baloch, at least 180 people have died in bombings, 122 children have been killed by paramilitary troops and hundreds of people have been arrested since the beginning of the campaign in early 2005. On 8 December 2005, the federal interior minister stated that some 4,000 people had been arrested in Balochistan since the beginning of 2005.

Rights groups are concerned. Amnesty International (AI), in a statement released on 10 January, demanded that “human rights abuses [in Balochistan] be stopped forthwith and that all allegations of violations of human rights, including civil, political and economic rights, be independently and impartially investigated with a view to bringing the perpetrators to justice”. —The preceding Khalidkhoso 21:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

(Neutral Resource)[[7]] check it out Khalidkhoso 21:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
"The insurgency was put down by the Pakistan Army, which employed brutal methods and equipment, ". check resource (Neutral Resource)[[8]] Khalidkhoso 21:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Bhutto was able to mobilize domestic support for his drive against the Baloch. Punjab's support was most tangibly represented in the use of the army to put down the insurgency. (Neutral Resource)[[9]]
“The people there are in huge trouble and difficulties. A large number of them are in the mess, besides, huge casualties are reported there in the ongoing armed conflict,” he said.

Zubaida Jalal said Balochistan had seen development during army regimes. (Neutral Resource)[[10]] Khalidkhoso 21:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

President Pervez Musharraf and the military are responsible for the worsening of the conflict in Balochistan.Neutral Resource [[11]] Khalidkhoso 21:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
In the first session Mr. Zahoor Sherwani, Provincial head of HRCP Balochistan Chapter, Mr. Wali Kakar Central Committee Member Balochistan National Party and Mr. Ayub Tareen, BBC correspondent talked about the current state of human rights in Balochistan. Humanitarian aspects of the conflict were also highlighted in the session. Panellists were of the view that this situation has given rise to worst human rights situation in Balochistan and hundreds of women and children have lost their lives and they have been physically assaulted. There have been hundreds of enforced disappearances in Balochistan.(Neutral Resource) [[12]] Khalidkhoso 21:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Balouchi Resource.[[13]] Khalidkhoso 21:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan_conflict#Armed_insurgency_1973-77. I have used language similar to what you are pointing to above brutal methods etc. Also, these websites cannot be verified, they are usually of not very good international standing and repute. Most of the stuff on Onwar website is a quick cut and paste job. I would suggest books written by impartial authors. BTW, i found a picture online. Do you think we can use it in the article? I don't know about copyright policy of Wiki and stuff. http://www.harappa.com/bremner/5.html WashFM 21:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that picture is already used in other artilce and it is free to use. i do not think that picture have any thing to do here.

there is Book written By Khan of Kalat Himself try to locate it. Khalidkhoso 21:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

try this too [[14]]

[edit] Human rights abuses

Racism directed towards the Baloch people surfaced quite openly[[15]] Khalidkhoso 21:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

We should add a human rights abuses in the article as well then. WashFM 21:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with You . Khalidkhoso 21:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main cause

The rape of a hapless woman doctor in the high security PPL residential compound in Sui. [[16]] Khalidkhoso 21:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New layout

I am thinking of this new layout. Let me know what you think:

  • Overview
  • Historical significance
  • Area of dispute
  • Baloch grievances
  • Main characters
Central governments (1948-2006)
Influence and role of sardars (Tribal chiefs)
Populace
  • First conflict (1948)
  • Second conflict (1973-77)
  • Third conflict (2006-Present)
  • Human rights abuses

WashFM 23:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

i think it is pretty good ,i have no objection with it . Khalidkhoso 23:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
i think we need to add Iran in it too beacuse in 1970s iran was part of war. what do you think? but i am afraid this topic will be under attack if we add iran in it. Khalidkhoso 03:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. But then we would have to add the then afghan Mohammed Daoud Khan as well because of his hostility towards Pakistan and designs for the Baloch and Pashtun areas. I think both Iran and Afghanistan's role warrants a brief mention though. WashFM 14:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It look Good. Khalidkhoso 06:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)