Talk:Balochistan (Pakistan)

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but this article is not about all Pakistani Balochistan? It's only about the province as the map shows? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:21, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Huh? It's about all of Pakistani Balochistan. However, for the article on the region of Balochistan, which is currently part of Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, see Balochistan. --Hottentot

first sentence says other thing: The province of Balochistan (or Baluchistan) of Pakistan contains roughly the part of Balochistan that falls within the borders of present-day Pakistan --Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Infobox changed 2 Elamo-Dravidian 3 Gratuitous Deletion 4 Baluchistan resistance surrenders 5 Map 6 My tribe is older than yours 7 Genotype 8 Islamic conquest of Baluchistan 9 Separatist Movement

[edit] Infobox changed

There is no point having separate infoboxes for each province of Pakistan when they display the same information. I've replaced the Template:Baloch-infobox with a generic one for all provinces. Green Giant 00:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elamo-Dravidian

Guys, This Elamo-Dravidian connection hasnt even been proven by most scholars, so we cannot speak so assuringly of this theory as if these people did exist and this connection between the Dravidians and the Elamites is true! This is not a fact so stop speaking like it is one! A better substitute would be Dravidian and Indo-Iranian tribes. I'm no Hindu Nationalist, by the way, trying to disprove foreign connections. I support the Aryan Migration as not just a theory but fact and many scholars in Dravidian languages themselves doubt the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis. -User: Afghan Historian

[edit] Gratuitous Deletion

Look, I'll grant I don't know much about Balochistan, but a user named Embarkedaxis is repeatedly deleting large parts of the article without giving any reason. The same user seems to be going on a general crusade to place Pakistan in a prominent position vis-a-vis India in Wikipedia articles. Will someone with more clout and experience than I please deal with this? --Eliyak 16:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes i deleted some parts of this article being it was based on propaganda against pakistan and brave people of balochistan. i am baloch and i know about my watan baluchistan and my country pakistan.stop propaganding wrong things in dis article. I respect opinon of Eliyak. but stop propaganding things which are totally wrong. i am true. and i can prove it.

Embarkedaxis, you can't just delete links to articles if you don't like them. What's wrong iwth Conflict between Pakistan and Baloch warlords in Balochistan? It's a valid topic. —Khoikhoi 05:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baluchistan resistance surrenders

just run into that article on Al Jazeera, was doing research, should this be added? http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B5FBCC54-A80E-434F-94C7-369F79CBE8BD.htm --Tigry 20:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

It is requested that a map or maps be included in this article to improve its quality. Wikipedians in Pakistan may be able to help!

A map is sorely needed in this article. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 20:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My tribe is older than yours

Brahui people#Origins, geography, and demographics says:

“There are two main theories regarding the Brahui that have been proposed by academics. One theory is that they are an ancient hold-over of some sort of indeterminate Elamo-Dravidian origin that descended from the people of the Indus Valley civilization. Another theory is that they are migrants from northern India who arrived in the region either before the Aryan invasion, but probably before the Baloch.” (emphasis mine)

This article says:

“Aryan invasions appear to have led to the eventual demise of the Elamo-Dravidian with the exception of the Brahui who may have arrived much later as did the Balochis themselves.”

Should the “may have arrived” part in the last sentence be changed, if it was probably – as the Brahui article says – not that way? I don't feel qualified to make a decision since I know next to nothing about regional ethnic history. 11:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genotype

Three is a debate over Semitic vs Dravadian origin of the Baloch people. According to this study, http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1181978, 39% of the Makrani people have Sub-Saharan mt-DNA African lineages. I quote: "Our results contrast with the Makrani Y-chromosome profile, which is similar to that of other Pakistani populations and is dominated by western Eurasian lineages (Qamar et al. 2002). The sub-Saharan African male-specific contribution, represented primarily by Hg E-M2, occurred at only 9% in the Makrani and is also present in neighboring populations, although at a lower prevalence (2%–4%). We estimated the maternal and paternal contributions of sub-Saharan Africans to the current Makrani gene pool, using information from all haplogroups, at 12% (±7%) for the Y chromosome and 40% (±9%) for the mtDNA. These findings must be interpreted in the light of known historical data. Forced migration from Africa began in the 7th century and increased considerably during the Omani Empire. The latter formed a strong slave-trade connection between the Makran port of Gwadar, the principal ports of Oman, and ports located in East Africa, including Mozambique (Clarence-Smith 1989; Sultana 1995). In the 16th and 17th centuries, the Portuguese also traded between Mozambique and southwestern Asia. The African component in the Makrani community may therefore represent the genetic legacy of this slave trade. Whereas the Atlantic slave trade dealt mainly with male labor, the East African slave trade seemingly favored females over males (Lovejoy 2000). Slave women were mainly domestics and/or concubines, and children fathered by the master were freed. In addition, strong cultural barriers hindered male slaves from fathering children, a situation exacerbated by the proportion of slaves imported as eunuchs (Lovejoy 2000). As a consequence of these practices, the contribution of paternal African genes to the population is expected to be low. Indeed, the contrast between male and female African contributions observed among the Makrani strongly supports historical records of a female sex bias during the East African slave trade. Other factors, such as asymmetrical mating patterns between African women and autochthonous males during the process of genetic admixture, and/or unequal reproductive success among Makrani males, might have accelerated the loss of African Y chromosomes from the population. In this context, a similar pattern has been reported recently in the Yemeni Hadramawt population (Richards et al. 2003), geographically adjacent to East Africa, where the African maternal contribution has also been interpreted as the result of the East African slave trade. Our data not only confirm a female-biased slave trade towards the East but also show that this pattern, which includes differential mating patterns between the sexes, extended to the eastern limits of the East African slave trade."

[edit] Islamic conquest of Baluchistan

Baluchistan was the fisrt region of Pakistan or sub continent to be conqured by the Rashidun Caliphs, many few people know about it except for some good historians. From a nice source book i have composed an article of islamic conquest of Baluchistan, during the regin of 3 rashidun caliphs Umar, Uthman and Ali. and a brief account of withdrawal of islamic forces from baluchistan during mauwyiah's reign and reconquest of it during latter umayyad caliphs reign.

Mohammad Adil 05:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Separatist Movement

There is no acknowledgement of the separatist movement from pakistan circa 1971, which was suppressed by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Apparently there is still a separatist movement, according to someone's Al Jazeera link, above on this discussion page. someone should write that up. 128.252.173.115 20:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)