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I have removed the last section because it is very inaccurate and some of the information has already been mentioned. The article is discussing the Baloch people and not any other race or about any other region, so stop adding these things. Just focus on Baloch when writing.

It would also be nice if some pictures are included.

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[edit] Repeated vandalism or near-vandalism

This page has been subjected to repeated insertions of material that has serious deficiencies. While the spelling, grammar, and formatting alone would make the inserted text unfit for inclusion in an encyclopedia, the material is non-neutral.

In this article and others, the same anonymous user appears to be repeatedly trying to promote a couple of websites: BalochVoice and BalochTawar. What action would the Wikipedia community recommend? 68.20.38.45 05:05, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Note: The above signed comment was modified by 203.91.149.122; I have reverted it (just doing some RC patrol). — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 09:44, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Edits

I've been adding some depth to the article regarding the Baluch that was missing. Before changing or deleting things can we discuss it on this page? Thanks. Tombseye 12:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


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The format and depth is looking much better, but I am puzzled as to where you got this from:

In Pakistani Balochistan they are currently outnumbered by Pashtuns........


Pashtuns being a majority in Pakistan Balochistan is wrong. Yes, there are a large number of Pashtun natives and refugees as well, but they are confined to the northeast and they still do not outnumber the Baloch. This is a myth without any statistical backing. So, I think it is only fair if you remove this portion. Here is a link that should not be included in the article, but should be used to remove this portion:

http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_mother_tongue.pdf#search='balochistan%20Population%20by%20Mother%20Tongue'


Note: I had some things written earlier and somebody removed what I wrote.


Well, the last census taken showed that there were more Pashtuns than Baluch, and they are a majority in Quetta for sure, in the province overall they are the largest group by a small margin followed by the Baluch themselves and then the Brahui and then various other smaller groups. I noted that in Bennett Jones' "Pakistan" (and he got his info. from various national surveys and estimates) that the demographic shift has been going on for years and eventually the Baluch will be outnumbered by a much larger margin due to a disparity in raw numbers and the higher birthrates of the Pashtuns. The chart you have includes the Baluch and Brahui together so of course they outnumber the Pashtuns, but if you split those numbers up it's a different story. At best, the Baluch barely might outnumber the Pashtuns or not. They are already on the verge of being outnumbered in Iran, if not already. The Baluch are a small group compared to their neighbors so this might simply be inevitable. Also, some great statistical data can be found in "The State, Religion, and Ethnic Politics: Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan" edited by Myron Weiner and Ali Banuazizi which also pointed to what I said and they used even more extensive data and sources. At any rate, I don't really feel like arguing about it as it doesn't make any difference to the article. As for "Arabic-speaking" Baluch, these are largely bilingual people working in the Persian Gulf as opposed to an actual number who claim Arabic as their mother tongue. Many people claim descent from Arabs without any evidence as it were.

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[edit] Language

The original author of this section neglected to list the fourth of the "four main languagues" mentioned, so I altered the text to reflect the list as shown.

The entire entry probably needs to be verified for accuracy, anyway. Shabbs

[edit] Dispute

Balochs are a distinct ethnic group their relationship with Iranian peoples which is a linguistic term is only linguistic and their Iranian origin is only one of several hypotheses. The article is totally one-sided and promotes a strong pro-Iranian perspective and is totally anti-balochi.
Diyako Talk + 16:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Balochis ARE Iranian, so how can it be Anti-Balochi?! You don't make any sense. --Kash 00:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, privde evidence before suggesting these mis-informed ideas with your Anti-Iranian POV, --Kash 01:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Origins of the Baloch

For each theory, we need at least one refference. Those who don't have any refference should be removed. If there isn't any credible refference for these theories, the whole section should be removed. Bidabadi 10:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Because there is no credible refference for these theories, I remove this section. However, in the history section, there is some useful information about their origin (and the source is Britannica). Bidabadi 13:54, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I have Book and it is written by Russain Author .i think this will be good refrence.

Khalidkhoso 11:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I have removed the picture of Ramzi Yousef since not only is his origin unclear, but it is extremely, extremely offensive to have a terrorist displayed in this article as an example of the Baloch people. Whoever included it should be ashamed of themselves. SouthernComfort 12:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WARNING USER:DIYAKO HAS ASKED OTHER USERS TO EDIT THIS PAGE AND ASSERT BALOUCH ARE NOT IRANIAN

User:Diyako and other anti-Iranian users will attempt to attack this page. They are attacking anything that has to do w ith Iran promoting anti-Iranianism. 69.196.139.250 02:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Language Section Removed

Many errors are found here. First, the language of the Baloch is Balochi. Jadgali and Brahui are spoken by other ethnic groups. Some Baloch may speak these two languages (along with several others) and second languages, but there needs to be sources. Also, many of these tribal names that were mentioned need to be sourced because I was unnable to find those listed. Imperial78

[edit] An Iranian people?

The very first paragraph of this article says the Baloch "are an Iranian people".

The next paragraph says "the Baloch are mistakenly considered an Iranian people."

Can someone fix this? I lack the expertise. Richlumaui 20:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

They're an Iranian people, I've fixed the contradiction. Khoikhoi 08:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It looks like this is a major sticking point for the Balochi nationalist movement(s); a quick look at http://www.balochvoice.com/Historical/Some_baloch_background.html mentioned above repeatedly uses the term "non-Persian". I think we're running into a collision between overlapping terms for ethnicity and geography. The sources cited here indicate that the Balochi did originate in a geographical area now largely contained by the borders of the present republic of Iran, and moved somewhat eastward, and that what might be called "Balochistan" now overlaps mostly with the geographic borders of Pakistan. So the question seems to be, can we word it so that the geographic origins are Iranian, without implying that the ethnic origins are Persian? UltraNurd 15:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, the term "Iranian people"(s) doesn't mean they are Persian or necessarily originated from them --Rayis 18:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

that's true Persians themselves are a group of Iranian people as many others. generalizing whole Iranian people to Persians maybe is because of their success and power through history among other Iranian Peoples that made them be more familiar by some Westners. Zahedani Baloch.

[edit] hindu balochis?

are there hindu balochis as well? 61.95.13.85 17:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tribal languages stuff

While fixing up disambig links, this paragraph caught my eye:

The Mazari the largest Baloch tribe in Rajanpur speak Balochi while the Leghari the largest Baloch tribe in Dera Ghazi Khan and Rahim Yar Khan speak Seraiki. The Leghari in Sindh speak Sindhi. The Talpur, Jatoi, Gabol, Lashari, Chandio, Bozdar, and other Baloch tribes settled in Sindh speak both Sindhi and Balochi. Nutkani Baloch one of ruling baloch tribe in region, living in the Mongrotha and near by area of Taunsa Sharif and in nearby area of Dera Ghazi Khan speak Saraiki Language. Malghani is famous caste of blaoch tribe which is sub cast of rind tribe and is located in 3 provinces of pakistan i.e in balochistan area of dera allah yar and dera murad jamali and sind in jacob abad and thul nau and in punjab balochistan border of suleman ranges mainly speak seraiki sindhi and balochi.

Can someone confirm accuracy/validity of this? In particular that last sentence seems rather incoherent. -- Hongooi 17:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An iranian people?

Balochis are from iran, Pakistan and Asfghanistan.I dont mind terms like "persian" but Iran is a modern-day state as are Pakistan and Afghanistan.-Vmrgrsergr 05:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


Iran is a 3000 year old state (at least) unlike two other countries mentioned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran [please study about facts then comment, thank you] Sasan 15:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] joshuaproject.net

joshuaproject.net does not meet WP:RS. It should be replaced or removed. --Ronz 03:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are they a majority in Sindh, in Pakistan?

I find it hard to believe this: "The Baloch do not only live in Balochistan (Pakistan) but also are in majority in Sindh" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evilbu (talk • contribs) 16:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baloch genes

what is the Baloch genes ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.232.250 (talk) 22:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)