Talk:Ballard Carnegie Library

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Contents 1 This article is now a Good article 2 I think I'm out of sources 3 Peer review 4 100 square foot lot? 5 GA reached 5.1 Copied from my talk page 5.2 1st point - library funding 5.3 2nd point - the book cache 5.4 3rd point - lead section 5.5 GA

[edit] This article is now a Good article

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Coverage: You might expand on the sort collection they had and the size the collection grew to during its existence.
• 6a is not applicable, none of the images are fair use. Captions are suitable, but a tad short. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I think I'm out of sources

If anyone else can find some, please let me know or add them in? Aside from subscription news sites (no access) I think I've run dry now. • Lawrence Cohen 18:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I see that you cite Larry Kreisman of Historic Seattle; have you tried contacting him? Or have you tried contacting the current Ballard branch of the Seattle Public Library? - Jmabel | Talk 02:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, I suspect that a floor plan might be available somewhere (either from the city archives or from the library system), and that it would be worth someone (probably me) snapping a photo that shows the curved rear. - Jmabel | Talk 03:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Photo from rear now added. - Jmabel | Talk 04:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I can track down contact info and e-mail, sure. Good idea. And thanks for the help. • Lawrence Cohen 04:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You can email me and I'll pass along Larry Kreisman's email, but I don't think I should post it here. - Jmabel | Talk 18:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you could ask him for the names (and dates?) of any additional sources, I could always track them down on my own to build this out further. If that's easier, to just copy/paste whatever list he may be able to provide to here? I wouldn't want to bother him with a cold-call email if you already know him. • Lawrence Cohen 18:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, I don't really know him. Never met him face-to-face, though I imagine eventually I will. My only contact with him has been precisely writing him for help with similar sorts of things. So, contact me, I'll get you his email address, and you can make the query. Not really a matter of cold-calling: this is part of what Historic Seattle is about. Hmm. Historic Seattle. No article. I'll remedy that some time. - Jmabel | Talk 02:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I see his email address is posted on the organization's site: see http://www.historicseattle.org/contact/staff.aspx - Jmabel | Talk 18:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

• Expand the intro to summarize the entire article.
• Explain the "big picture." How does the library impact the community? How does it fit in with the entire Seattle library system? Why was it built and maintained in the location where it is currently? What is the future of the library?

Good start on the article. Cla68 07:02, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 square foot lot?

That would be 10 feet per side.

Even 100 feet square (100 feet per side) sounds a little small. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.207.2 (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It is a little small, but I think it (the latter, that is, 100 feet square) is about right. Certainly roughly accurate in the dimension facing the street; I've never really considered whether the lot is precisely square. - Jmabel | Talk 18:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA reached

I've left notes on Lawrence Cohen's talk page. Let me know if those points have been addressed. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copied from my talk page

I've reviewed the article, but there are a few things that are keeping me from promoting it.

1. "Together with their work and a $15,000 grant from Andrew Carnegie, the library was built on a lot 100 feet square, which was purchased for $2,100 raised by local businesses and citizens."[1] Not only does this imply that the library was built together with money (since when is money built), it also makes no distinction between the reading room the women collected for and the actual library, in fact thee reading room isn't even mentioned.
2. "Initially, the library had a cache of books waiting for the completion and grand opening that was provided by local residents and schools, as Carnegie's gift for the construction did not cover the initial costs of new books.[6] A call was also put out for citizens to bring free books to donate to the new facility." If you already have a cache of books, then why would you put a call out for donations? I'm not sure but I suspect that the cache is the pile of donated books, in which case you might want to get rid of the duplicate mention.
3. The lead section doesn't accurately summarize the article. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll have a go at these. • Lawrence Cohen 15:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1st point - library funding

Take a look, I think I have that sorted out more clearly now. What do you think? • Lawrence Cohen 15:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd point - the book cache

That was based on a paraphrasing and condensing of this passage:

"Ballard school children had been selling 10-cent membership cards to fund a school library. Five hundred dollars of this money was given to the free public library and Ballard businesses also gave money. When the library opened, The Ballard News announced, "It is hoped each visitor will bring a book to start the collection." East Side School teacher Blanche Dunmore led a student drive and collected 500 books from residents."[2]

The cache of books I was referring to was that 500 book collection, and the call for new books was the Ballard News statement (they read to me as being distinct). Do you have any suggestions on the wording for that...? • Lawrence Cohen 15:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3rd point - lead section

I'll rewrite it. • Lawrence Cohen 15:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've expanded out the lead. How does it look? • Lawrence Cohen 15:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA

Just leaving a note that this reached GA. I just noticed this section made it look like it hadn't. • Lawrence Cohen 19:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)