Talk:Balaton Principality

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[edit] Name

I wonder is name "Balaton Principality" a best choice for this article? "Balaton" is just modern magyarized name of the area and in the time when this principality existed, there were no Hungarians in the area. Also, some sources that I saw about this mention the principality under names "Pannonia" or "Pannonian Principality", so perhaps we can change name of this article into "Pannonian Principality"? PANONIAN (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Theoretically no problem, but Pannonian principality is also the name of Savia in some texts and you should be sure that Balaton principality is not used in English texs (have you checked that somehow?)....But what interests me is your interesting last addition of territories - as far as I know, no Slovak source clains that those territories were in the principality, so you should add which author claims that. Personally I think you or someone is confusing this Pannonia with the other Croatian Pannonia. Juro 20:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

No, there is no confusion - I just saw one historical map showing Slavic countries in the 9th century including Slavic state of Pannonia (Balaton Principality), which also include territory between Danube and Tisa and in the south of Drava. Another state called Savia (Pannonian Croatia) is also shown on this map. Regarding source, it is one book that I saw in bookshop, so I will go back there in monday and I will writte exact name of the source. Regarding name of the article, I do not know which of the names is most common in English - it should be checked anyway. By the way, I also found what was name of Feankish province - Pannonian March. Perhaps we can writte article about it if we find more data. PANONIAN (talk) 20:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

OK. I will look at the name when I have the time. I am quite sure that the problem will be that the principality does not occur in English texts at all. Juro 20:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

in euratlas.com , it is called 'country on the Save" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hxseek (talk • contribs) 10:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I just remeber: the article about Vukovar on Croatian Wikipedia also mention that Pribina ruled in the south of the Drava: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vukovar Quote: "Ovdje je središte cijelog kraja u vrijeme kada knez Pribina, kao franački vazal, dobija stotinu sela uz rijeku Vuku sredinom 9. stoljeća." In English: "This was the center of the whole area in the time when prince Pribina, as Frankish vassal, gained 100 villages near river Vuka in the middle of the 9th century". PANONIAN (talk) 21:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, but a wikipedia is not a sufficient source for things like that, we have to know the original source of this statement. Juro 01:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I provided original references now. Regarding name of the article, most sources that I saw, use names "Pannonia" or "Lower Pannonia", but since we already have articles about Roman provinces that had same names, it would not be the best solution to use those names. PANONIAN (talk) 14:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Try the conversion of the bavarians and carantans of Salzburg early sources, http://www.amazon.de/Conversio-Bagoariorum-Carantanorum-Erzbischofs-Theotmar/dp/3775254153/ref=sr_1_1/028-3021403-2442920?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189800444&sr=8-1--Vargatamas 20:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great Moravians

I added Western Slavs which seems to be more acceptable with a reliable source. Later other theories/versions with other sources may be added. Squash Racket (talk) 11:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)