Talk:Balanced arm lamps

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I want to make a page with al kind of balancing systems for arm lamps like :

counter weight balanced arm lamps.

metal spring balanced arm lamps

rubber elastic balanced arm lamps

Stef

Sorry, i do not understand

i have made some drawings

i want to donate it to wikipedia

1 Images
2 Cleanup
3 Cleanup
4 Copy-edit help
- 4.1 Questions or comments
5 Editing space
6 pressure spring to compression spring
7 Collapsible tables!
8 improving this article
9 List of deleted images of other arm lamp systems
10 show/hide
11 Fair use rationale for Image:Luxo L1 black 2006-08-02.jpg
12 A Thought Experiment
13 Suggestion
14 Images

[edit] Images

I like the article and the great explanatory drawings. You need to ensure that if you made them yourself they are tagged as GDFL meaning you give up rights to them and they pass into the open source domain. Otherwise the images wil be deleted. Lumos3 10:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article is full of so much wonderful information but is one of the most poorly written and compiled articles on Wikipedia I have ever seen. There is no unity of flow, the information is difficult to explain, some parts are too technical, some grammar is terrible, and the diagrams are unclear. Everything that could have gone wrong, did. This looks like a page from a second-rate unmoderated website. Sorry for the rant. Now, who's with me?

☭ Zippanova 06:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Hello Zippanova

Yes you rant is right, we have to do something.

I am shore technical people will understand the images.

The function of a arm lamp is simple to explain. A arm system to balance a lamp in a desired position. There are a lot of technical methods to do this.

But This article does need some text to explain the working method.

I made this article not alone to explain the working of a balanced arm lamp, but about the mechanical technique in general.

I am Stef Breukel from the Netherlands, My language dutch.

I will try to find some English technical people that can help me with this text in this article.

I will make a start this week,

Thank you, Stef

[edit] Copy-edit help

Stef, I like the topic! I am happy to continue to comb through for spelling and English usage etc. If there are specific things I don't understand, I'll post questions for you here. Jlhughes 23:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions or comments

...for you, Stef:

I would like to see a short discussion about the forces in balance before the article starts to discuss particular types of lamp.
There is a picture towards the end of the page showing how compression vs extension springs work which is very clear, and should be nearer the top, perhaps?
I don't understand the "en" in "Squeezing en friction rubber arm" Is it "or"?

--No "and" it is friction and Squeezing that keep this lamp balanced. --This is one of the most common Italian design lamp. --Stef

Can you re-do the hierarchy? This is what I think it is, although I've left out a couple of types that I don't understand.

lamps held in place with springs

- lamps with extension springs

- - (various)

- lamps with compression springs

- - (various)

- lamps with other springs

- - (torsion & spiral)

lamps held in place with friction

- (various)

lamps held in place with counterweights

- (various)

lamps held in place with mechanical coupling devices

- (hydraulic & pneumatic)

Can you correct this list as necessary (I've not considered the types of arms (parallelogram etc.) which I'm sure is important), and then organize the lamps by type of construction?

--yes go ahead , if you want you can do every thing you think is best for the article.

--I like your work improving the article, I am not very good in writing en english --Stef

Jlhughes 20:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Think you’re making excellent suggestions here Jlhughes, thanks for your efforts (and of course you Stef, for your original enthusiastic contributions on the topic). Concerning the en in item 3, that’s probably meant as and (in a NL→Eng way). --Van helsing 21:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

--I am glad much people like the article, This article is open source, so if you have some other lamp I do not know of please edit. --Stef

[edit] Editing space

There a lot of things i do not understand about the Wikipedia editing system

way is this editing space this small, 25 rows? can i more this space bigger ?

Stef

You can specify the size of the edit window in: my preferences, editing tab, editbox dimensions in rows and columns. --Van helsing 11:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Van helsing , this makes it match easier for me

Stef

[edit] pressure spring to compression spring

yes compression spring is more common and clear

I like how the article in improving

If the article is organised I have some other arm lamp systems to put on it

Stef

[edit] Collapsible tables!

Hello Stef and others

I think I've found the right solution for a graphics-heavy, text-light page such as this. I've just dropped in collapsible tables which open out at a click for each type of lamp. This means you can take in the page quite easily at a glance, but look at all the pictures as you like.

Please check my coding for the tables, as I've never used them before, and carry on if you think it's a sensible approach.

JH(emendator) 12:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jlhughes and others

Yes, Looks very good

I did not know this was possible in Wikipedia.

Thank you ,

Stef

[edit] improving this article

The purpose of the balancing technique is very simple to explain to young people. How to balance a lamp on a desired position.

This article is not just to show how the balancing technique works, but to show mechanical technique in general.

Please help me improving this article ?

Thank you ,

Stef —Preceding unsigned comment added by World arm lamp (talk • contribs) 12:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of deleted images of other arm lamp systems

For later if there is more text to extent this page.

I hope this problem with the "Spiral spring controls a pantograph arm lamp.PNG" image is solved. I made this image and donated it to wikipedia. There is no copyright on this image.

List:

[[Image:One Pressure spring one parallelogram.PNG

Popular American lamp pressure spring controls a photographic arm.PNG

Popular American lamp Image:Popular American lamp.PNG

Spiral spring controls a pantograph arm

Image:Spiral spring controls a pantograph arm lamp.PNG

Image:Stretch Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG

Image:Bending Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG

arm lamp.PNG

Stef --World arm lamp (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] show/hide

A very thorough article... but

The long list of show/hides that have to be clicked just to read the page is a huge waste of the reader's time. I hope they get removed, and the images load without user intervention, as is done on 99.99% of webpages. Tabby (talk) 12:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Luxo L1 black 2006-08-02.jpg

Image:Luxo L1 black 2006-08-02.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Thought Experiment

Suppose one were to take an excavator and replace the bucket with a floodlight. Would this be considered a valid balanced-arm lamp?

71.237.206.43 (talk) 23:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Does this kind of lamp exist ? Please let me know

--World arm lamp (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

Could the click on images of the various types of lamps be brought into the article, so they do not have to be clicked on? I have also changed references to forearm etc to read as the mechanical equivalents, which clarifies a little. Otherwise the article is OK. Chasnor15 (talk) 15:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)