Talk:Bai Ling

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May she be included in the "bisexual actors" category please? 8/28/6

added. Calicore 04:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)



Can someone post a picture. Bai Ling looks beautiful on picture in her earlier days. Can someone find an earlier picture?


The content in this article is identically the same as that in [1], even thought the website doesn't claim the copyright clearly. Is that alright? --Yacht 04:04, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, i've checked out the copyright. it's allow to be licenced to GFDL. --Yacht 04:07, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Go Fug Yourself?

"Additionally, Go Fug Yourself has documented Bai numerous times appearing publicly in revealing outfits that happen to "slip" and show her nipples in pictures, despite the fact that she was attending as a guest at events with no overt sexual content"

Is the author trying to insinuate here that Bai Ling dresses in revealing outfits to attract attention at events where she is not a featured star? Even if she does, she'd hardly be the only actress to do so and I don't see how this belongs in a "Controversy" section. --Funkmistress 17:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Including Star Wars in Filmography

If she was cut from Episode III, should it still be included in her filmography? I would think not. --feitclub 11:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yet she did act in a few scenes for the movie, and presumably she was paid for her work. Add to that the fact that she appears in some of the deleted scenes on the Episode III DVD. — EagleOne\Talk 03:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
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This article has too many links, is too confusing, and in some parts unsubstantiated.

Chegdu is the capital City of the Sichuan region - therefore it is incorrect to say she moved from Chengdu to Sichuan (a bit like saying someone moved from London to England!).

I think the author should take note of her unpopularity within Chinese audiences.

[edit] What Does This Mean?

"...and the combination of Ling and a surname is very common."

Um...aren't ALL personal names, every one of them, always used in combination with a surname? OF COURSE a common personal name will be commonly used in combination with a surname. What is trying to be said here? --Charlene 12:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that is just saying that "Ling" is a common personal name in China. -- Huntster T • @ • C 01:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Based on personal knowledge of someone who knew her back in Sichuan growing up, she was more likely born between 1962 and 1964. She has a younger brother (not according to her quoted birthday) who was born in 1969. She was in the children's art group in Chengdu. Her father teaches at Sichuan University. When she came to the United States she was traveling and performing as a dancer. I saw her perform for a local Chinese New Year celebration in early 93 or 94 and she did not look 23 or 24 then. Taipan525 00:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Her age

There are many versions about her birth year: 1961, 1963, 1968, and 1970, as of 2007. Check this image out: [2]. It's a movie shot in 1985. You may barely believe that she was 15 then, if you cannot tell the age of an oriental woman easily. But as a Chinese, I believe she looks more 24 than 15 on that picture. Also think about her role in her first movie On the Beach, as a country girl who became a worker, fought against her father's will for her to marry her cousin, and fall in love with another young man. Chinese authority would not possibly allow a "14 year old girl" to act like that in early 1980's. She must be over her 20s then. --Mongol 19:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

http://www.sc.xinhuanet.com/content/2005-11/21/content_5638001.htm

Also why is her participation in the Tianamen Square protests in question? Over a million people particpated in Beijing alone, not to mention the other hundreds of thousands around the country, its not exactly like it would have exactly been very hard to do, or that they were restricted to a select group.

  • She went to Moscow Movie Festival in July of 1989, one month after the massacre, thus is more likely that she behaved "properly" according to the authority where she worked. I did participate in that protest, but I don't think she did. --Mongol (talk)

In Red Corner she appears to be well into her thirties, not a fresh-faced young woman of 27. I knew immediately with her new whore look that she would be lying about her age, and guess what, she is.

The article pointing to her age isn't a reliable source. If this was the Chinese Wikipedia (or if the source could be translated into English), maybe it would be. But being that this is the English Wikipedia, it would be better if the source of her birth year was from an article written in English. Anthony Rupert 16:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Foreign language sources are perfectly acceptable. • Lawrence Cohen 17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. And of course the source can be translated into English. BTW, I just put that piece of information on Chinese Wikipedia. Now it's sync'ed. --Mongol (talk) 21:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! What is the rough translation, by the way? Would you mind putting it down in an English sentence here so that I can add it inside of the <ref> tags? Lawrence Cohen 21:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
What translation? I was just replying "if the source could be translated into English". Yes it could. But what are you asking? To translate that whole article? That's too much. Or you mean just the line about her birth year? It was "(something about her siblings)... 网上介绍白灵生于1968年，但白玉祥告诉记者，白灵生于1961年10月，今年已经44岁。" which means "It's said on the internet that Bai Ling was born in 1968, but Bai Yuxiang (her father) told the reporter that Bai Ling was born in Oct 1961, and thus (she is) 44 years old this year already." --Mongol (talk) 00:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Her fan site, http://www.bai-ling.org/ , claims that she was born on 10 October 1970. Q43 (talk) 00:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Bai Ling knew Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht weren't a gay couple

I saw the Screen Savers episode with Bai Ling and I thought it was obvious she knew the hosts weren't a gay couple and instead was only poking fun. I've corrected it in the article, but if others think she was genuinely confused, speak up!

[edit] Bai Ling or Ling Bai

Shouldn't the name of this article be Bai Ling. I have never heard or seen her referenced as Ling Bai. If she wanted to be known as Ling Bai, wouldn't she have informed someone by now? 132.239.1.230 02:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, I don't know what the style is for Chinese people, but I do know what the Manual of Style for Japan-related article says in these circumstances: "For a modern figure (a person born from the first year of Meiji (1868) onward), always use the Western order of given name + family name for Western alphabet". So I'm guessing then Bai Ling is probably the preferred format. Tabercil 03:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Her given name is Ling and surname is Bai. Ling Bai should be the right form in English —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.95.86 (talk) 08:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Bai Ling should be the correct way. Most of her movies, appearances, ect. have her credited as Bai Ling not 'Ling Bai' not to mention the precedence set by the Zhang Ziyi, Gong Li, and Utada Hikaru (ect.) articles. Calicore 17:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

In America It would be Ling Bai, same as say Brad Pitt. But in China it would be Bai Ling, or Pitt Brad. But when it comes to things like actors musicians and so on. In the different countries the tend to use the name in the same order. For instance if you go see a brad pitt movie in china, it lists him as brad pitt and not pitt brad, even though they use surname first then given name. Which is why since she started her acting in china as Bai Ling once she came here we use it that way. even though some american films credit her as Ling Bai which is the proper way for it English speaking people use it.Rogue Gremlin 20:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Synthesis

The following appears to be (logical) synthesis, or needs attribution and sourcing from RS that performed this analysis. TableManners 06:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

“ Many of the events in Bai's past have only been verified by Bai herself; her past in China is especially in doubt. No independent source besides Ling has verified her claims of her time spent in the Chinese army. The same is true of her time spent in New York as a visiting scholar, when her age would have made her a suspiciously young candidate for such an honor, especially given the paucity of her academic achievements. Finally, her participation in the Tiananmen Square protests would have been quite remarkable, given the fact that she attended the 1989 Moscow International Film Festival one month later as a member of an official Chinese movie group. ”

[edit] Year of birth

This was all messed up, alternately reporting the wrong year, and even amazingly the wrong GENDER for Bai Ling. I've fixed it all. 1961 is what we will be reporting, as that is what her own father is cited as saying her year of birth is. Her father is the definitive authority on the subject, obviously. Also, she couldn't possibly have been born in 1970, as she was doing things during the Cultural Revolution that began in 1966. That would be a fantastic prenatal achievement, if she were born in 1970. • Lawrence Cohen 17:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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