Talk:Baelnorn

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on March 4, 2007. The result of the discussion was Keep.


delete all!

--Elestar 13:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

...why...?

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[edit] References

I figure I might as well drop off some references here for anyone who wants to take a hand at improving the article. Here's a link to the game information from Monsters of Faerun. They are also mentioned in the FR Campaign Setting, Lost Empires of Faerun, and Faiths and Pantheons. I don't recall off the top of my head if there's a specific port of them over to Eberron, but may check later. (At least one character in Lords of Darkness is a Baelnorn, but I don't know how much they are referenced there.)

A few novels in which they are referenced include Elminster in Hell, The Siege, The Lost Library of Cormanthyr, Sea Devil's Eye, and Pool of Radiance.

I'm pretty sure there are more than a couple of modules that talk about Baelnorn, but the setting book and Lost Empires is probably the best bet for finding descriptive material on them and how they influence the Forgotten Realms setting. Bitnine 19:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Slight expansion: Of the above, two of them have minor mentions of Baelnorns: Elminster in Hell has Elminster briefly receiving some lore from a nameless group of Baelnorns beneath the ruins of Myth Drannor, and in Sea Devil's Eye one character, Lashyrr Maerdrymm, is a Baelnorn. The other three feature Baelnorns as more substantive characters, Corineus in The Siege and Nevft Scoontiphp in The Lost Library of Cormanthyr both play a more active role. In the Pool of Radiance novel, the baelnorn Miroden Silverblade plays a fair part, as well as the Pool of Radiance game. Tordynnar Rhaevaern, last surviving founder of the Eldreth Veluuthra is the Baelnorn detailed in Lords of Darkness.
However, I have to admit that I'm certainly not the most knowledgeable person about FR and the novels, games, and modules thereof, so I'm certain there are probably more than a few others that I've missed. Bitnine 01:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
All right, while I'm away from my books at the moment, here's the current idea I had for cleaning up the article. I'll probably fix to have the opening explain what Baelnorns are and their role in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting. That is, as a creature they are a type of good lich; in the setting, most are the remnants of the old lords of Cormanthor/Myth Drannor. Most of their appearances in modules, setting books, games, novels and the like are related to the latter as opposed to a random elf who discovered the Baelnorn ritual. It may also be worth a brief note that only becoming a Baelnorn requires a nonevil alignment; Tordynnar Rhaevaern (mentioned above) is an example of an evil Baelnorn. I'll also add a small section at the end for Baelnorn characters/appearances.
And while it might be interesting to note Baelnorns as the precursor of the Deathless (seen in the Book of Exalted Deeds, Eberron and elsewhere), barring an interview that I missed, I doubt that that's verifiable. Bitnine 14:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

If you check the link that I provided above for the game rule information on Baelnorns, they don't have phylacteries; some instead use magic to keep clones to reanimate upon destruction (the clone spell). Therefore I'm nixing the incorrect paragraph. Bitnine 16:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recerences

I am really pleased to see your comments. looks like i wrote at least an article of interest to others. Thank you for all the help you gave me. I put the links of refering campaign settings and novels. Maybe they are worthy enough to keep the article.

I did not find the specific link, what tells about clones. Could you please write it to me again?

Thank you!

--Elestar 17:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clones vs. Phylactary

In the meantime i found the references about making clones instead of a phylactary. All does make me think: The fact, not having any phylactary while the high elven ritual of "Tribute Of One’s Duty To The People" is a mitigating factor. So it is optimal to a would be baelnorn and even to a baelnorn to have one. In lack of phylactary the deathless one needs to create clones if it wants to raise from destruction. So the wondrous artifact is not needed but rather practical :) Thank you for the information! It was new to me...

--Elestar 16:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)