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[edit] Old Stuff

Important: The IBF has agreed on adopting the experimental scoring system as the new rules for the game untill at least the 2008 olympic games. The entire rules section should be changed to the new rules. Gemertp 09:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

In the beginning of the article, it says "The game of badminton is not reccommended for high school students, especially participation classes." That should be elaborated upon.

I removed this unsubstantiated claim from the History section:

It is now the second most popular sport in the world behind Soccer.

I find this hard to believe, especially since good stats on such things are hard to come by. [1] tries to settle the debate, and concludes that badminton is in fact 6th, not 2nd - but then it also unearthed the fact that 1 in 6 of the world's population play volleyball. Hmm.

If someone has some hard facts, free free to add them in, but I don't believe the 200 million figure for badminton quoted on that page either. sjorford 09:08, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It does make sense. This sport is very popular in China and Indonesia, 2 of the 4 most populous countries in the world.--Nitsansh 00:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I came across a couple of 1850s punch cartoons (54 and 59) implying Badminton was already popular enough then to be a nuisance on the Streets of London so I query if if really only arrived in the UK in the 1850s. Any basis for this--BozMo|talk 22:49, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The cartoon shows the game of battledore and shuttlecock which goes back to medieval times and out of which Badminton evolved. A nice picture though and I wonder if its now out of copyright so it could be used to illustrate the article . Lumos3 13:28, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Sure seems out of copyright but I think out of courtesy, also as it is the only attribution to author and date, and also as most of the work in these old things is scanning and cleaning the pictures you should link to the site it was lifted it off which was John Leech Archive which I will do.

I found a great picture of a jump smash which I would like to add but I'm really new here and the image copyright policy is so detailed... I think I can manage it. Need to e-mail the author of the picture. Qazx 9:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I am going to edit to illustrate badminton as a sort of mixture of tennis and volleyball. While much of play is similar to tennis (singles and doubles) the feature of the 'ball' not being allowed to hit the playing surface is in common with volleyball. All three have similar court proportions and the feature of a net.

I edited the following lines: "The game of badminton may look easy to play, but it can be physically more tiring than tennis since the tennis ball travels at a much slower speed as compared to a shuttlecock. When you play a shot in tennis you use the whole of your arm in one sweeping action, whereas in badminton you use the flick of your wrist and a step to give maximum power and accuracy." 1.It is doubtful that tennis ball travels at slower speed on average, given that badminton shuttle slows down a lot at the end. I reworded this a little to correct that. 2. It's a common misconception that badminton involves mostly flicks of wrist. Everything is used in badminton: finger pressure, arm pronation, arm extension, shoulder rotation, waist... Even fast flat drives involve a lot more than wrist flicks.


Under Equipment->String: "Racquets strung at lower tensions (18 to 21 lbf or 80 to 95 N)provide greater control while racquets strung at higher tensions generate greater power (21+ lbf, over 95 N) ." I would have thought it was the reverse. Higher tension produces a stiffer string bed, allowing more control over power generation.Hagane 03:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IBF experimental scoring system

I added a sub header to the Rules section to explain the IBF experimental scoring system, and added in the History section that the experiment will last untill May, when the IBF will decide if the rules become permanent. I thought adding a new section was better than to add comments to every line saying what the rule would be in the experiment. Selar 16:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Photograph

This page needs a good action photograph or an animated gif to illistrate the game . See Table tennis to see what can be done. Lumos3 14:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree, I will see what I can find. Selar 16:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ill see if I can find a clips (avi or mpeg), and then import it into macromedia flash, to change it into a animated gif. But I can only do that next week-end - no computer during the week lol. But I'll also have to download flash, since its on the other computer paat 01:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the article will benefit from two or three action photographs. As nobody has added anything since the above comments were posted, I have added a photograph that I took myself, about 4 years ago. It is the only action photograph I have ever taken where the shuttlecock was clearly visible. The photo isn't all that good - so anyone should feel free to replace it when they find something better. Bob BScar23625 07:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Offensive and Defensive racquets

Ive been to a sports store, and they talked to me about offensive and defensive racquets, offensive beeing pointed at the end, vs defensive have a larger surface. Is this point real? should i add it into the article? paat 21:00, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

There are only two shapes that I know of: Isometric shape and normal (oval) shape. Isometric shape provides a larger surface area, theoretically increasing the size of the sweet spot, while the oval shape are smaller in surface area of racquet. In terms of offensive and defensive racquet, I believe that these additional surface area (due to strings, and a slightly larger racquet) does contribute to the offensive and defensive style: My observations:

- Yonex produces AT800 Offensive and Defensive, both head-heavy (more weight on the frame than handle) and isometric head shape. The primary difference between the two are the shape of the frame - AT800 DE are more conventional (triangular), whilst AT800 OFF are more of a boxed shape. Their hypothesis for a defensive racquet is to allow minimum air friction.

- Alternatively, a head-light racquet are often considered a defensive style racquet as well. These racquets are designed to be more maneuverable, hence allowing better defence.

The second point are my perception, based on my experiences with various racquets.Hagane 03:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I think we should avoid allowing any racket manufacturer's marketing terms to penetrate the encyclopedia article. The categories of racket, and their corresponding supposed catergories of player, are often marketing inventions. Mike Hopley 16:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raquet?

What's with the weird spelling? Surely the normal spelling is racket? I've never seen the spelling raquet before, the OED has raquet as an alternative to racket. Or am I displaying systemic bias?. Alun 06:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it's originally french (raquette) but Racquet seems to be correct english. Venullian 19:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC).
OED says it's of uncertain origin: Forms: 6 rackat, -it, Sc. rakkett, rakcat, 6-7 rackette, 8 -ett, 5- racket; 6-9 raquet, 7 -ett, 9 racquet. See also RAQUETTE. [a. F. raquette (16th c.) = Sp., Pg. raqueta, It. racchetta, lacchetta, of uncertain origin (see Littré and Devic): hence also Du. raket (in Kilian racket), G. rakete, -ette.], and has this quote from 1624 CAPT. SMITH Virginia II. 27 The Beaver..His taile somewhat like the forme of a Racket.. so racket is not a particularly modern usage. I didn't say that raquet is not correct, I said that it is not in common usage. It seems strange to me to be using antiquated or obscure spellings in a modern encyclopedia. But it may be that the spelling raquet is used more commonly outside the UK, in which case I

[edit] Shuttle Speed

The article seems to contrdict itself: Badminton is the fastest racquet sport in the world with shuttles reaching speeds of up to 200 mph. Simon Archer set the shuttlecock speed in the Guinness World Records of 162 mph In 1997.

The record was broken when a smash by Fu Hai Feng was clocked at 205 mph last year.

[edit] Racket / Racquet

I'm bringing this up again.. In the disambig at the top of the page it says 'racket' but the first line of the article says 'racquet'. Surely only one should be used? -Aenimiac 15:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA

Passed. Congrats! -- Zanimum 20:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Point scoring rules?

Not sure about other countries, but at all the clubs I've played with in Australia, you can only score on service, as in tennis i.e only the player or team who served the point is able to win a point; a dropped service does not mean the opposite player/team is awarded a point. Maybe it's just me, but the way it read in the article in a few places made it sound like either side could win a point at any time? Can someone clarify? Also in Aus, it is spelt "racquet".

The IBF have changed the scoring rules to "rally point scoring", which means that either side can win a point at any time. Wikipedia should primarily reflect the current scoring system, not the old one.
"Racquet" is an acceptable alternative spelling; but in issues of variant spellings we should prefer modern usage. "Racket" is more common and is just as correct. Mike Hopley 10:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Point scoring...

Sorry, just to further explain - in the 'chapter' on point scoring this is explained well, but in paragraph two it is noted "in either case, the winner will add a point to his score" and then in comparisons to tennis "in tennis the serve is dominant to the extent...". I feel these confuse the issue a bit?

I'm guessing they say it like that because you can rarely hit an ace or something like that in badminton. You can easily score points on the opponent's serve, which is more difficult in tennis I guess. Venullian 05:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links and community sites

I think the external links on this article are inconsistently chosen and may display personal bias.

In particular, the link to Badminton Central (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/badminton-central/) has been deleted twice, quite aggressively (last one was reported vandalism). This is a community website with news, forums, and articles. Yet the link to Badders.com, which is a similar (but rather smaller) site, remains.

I've now added Badminton Central back in. Could someone please explain what's wrong with it? And if there is something wrong with it, why is Badders.com okay? Mike Hopley 08:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, someone keeps putting the Badminton Portal site in. This is a very new site (launched this month) and as yet has little content. Please leave it out; self-promotion is not appropriate to Wikipedia. Mike Hopley 08:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, your reason is very good, but because the article size is too large, so i remove something, no divide for part in the external links. --Aleenf1 08:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article size

The article has become fairly long, partly because I've added lots of information to it. It currently contains over 7000 words of main text. Wikipedia: Article size says, "Readers may tire of reading a page much longer than about 6,000 to 10,000 words". We could potentially split the article. Here are some ideas:

  • Remove the scoring system development to another article (readers are generally not interested in the minutiae of IBF changes). We would, however, need to leave a short indication that the scoring system has recently changed and explain the difference.
  • Summarise the history section and move the existing section to a new article (could combine with scoring system development).
  • Remove the detailed stroke descriptions to another article. Unfortunately, we can't really do this without removing the strategy section as well, and I can't even think of a satisfactory way to split the strokes.


What do you think? Mike Hopley 12:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

don't remove it, but you can split to new page and highlight some details in this page. Probably you can refer to football (soccer), this is featured article standard in Wikipedia, see how it do the highlight part and the main article. Good luck --Aleenf1 16:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Aleen. By the way, I meant "remove" as in "move to another article", not as in "delete" :) Mike Hopley 17:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The tennis article might be a good way - breakout all the shots to separate articles [2]. I guess that'll be handy as more pictures can be included for better instruction.Widefox 11:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
This might be possible in the future, but right now we don't have enough content for individual stroke articles. I'm also not convinced that each stroke would benefit from an entire article (one could certainly write an entire article about technique and coaching for each stroke, but is this appropriate content for Wikipedia?).
I think readers would find it easier to look at all the strokes together, or at least in groups. The German article (featured!) has good diagrams to compare strokes. Mike Hopley 23:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] S-serve citation

Can anyone find a better article to cite about the S-serve? I listed the Badminton Central one, but it is not entirely accurate. Mike Hopley 15:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] citation

max speed record needs citation in text. see [3]

good stuff Aleenf1 Widefox 19:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparisons with other racquet sports

I have moved the section Comparisons with other racquet sports to foot of article. Lets describe the game first then compare it to other sports. Lumos3 09:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparisons of speed and athletic requirements

Anaerobic vs aerobic? I believe the author actually meant anaerobic in most cases, because badminton is mainly an anaerobic sport.

Badminton is actually mainly aerobic... are you sure you didn't confuse the definitions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.202.182.172 (talk) 08:02:33, August 2, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Equipment

Use of plastic shuttles tends to be limited to beginners/intermediates. The pros do NOT use plastics for practice.

The flight and feel of the shuttle is significantly different. Plastic shuttles tend to go very fast at the beginning because the skirt crumples, then slows down very rapidly once the skirt is restored. Feather shuttles do not exhibit this behaviour. Most badminton clubs seem to use cork based plastics if they use plastic shuttles. Plastic/synthetic "corks" are very different to feather shuttles.

[edit] vandalism

This article seems to be vandalised at least twice per day. I cannot imagine what there is about it that attracts this kind of attention. The vandalism all comes from anonymous users. So, perhaps it might be an idea to restrict edits on this article to registered Users?. Bob BScar23625 19:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I will ask for semi-protect --Aleenf1 23:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Aleenf1. What was the outcome of your request for semi-protect status?. The article is still being regularly vandalised by anonymous editors, who seem to be young children. Bob BScar23625 08:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Bob, admin refused because it not commonly happen everyday plus just not more than two or three vandal. But i'll try for another time. Hope admin nods!--Aleenf1 09:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, on now, Bob --Aleenf1 10:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I did the semi-protect as requested by Aleenf1. Hopefully that should fix your situation here. Cheers! —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 10:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Guys. I see that Nishkid64 removed the protect status from the article on 14/01. I hope that we do not have a resumption of persistent minor vandalism. Bob BScar23625 21:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes I requested it - see section below - it is inappropriate to have an article semi-protected all the time - it has been a month - so time to see what happens without protection. Cheers Lethaniol 21:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Guys. Once more, we seem to be suffering from vandalism every few hours. Any chance of having semi-protect status restored on a long-term basis?. Bob BScar23625 12:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The vandalism, some of it quite obscene, happens on average (over last 10 days) once or twice a day, with most edits being reverted in a few minutes, but with a couple reverted only after a few hours. This level of vandalism is clearly manageable but the question is, is the vandalism staying long enough to cause real problems for the article/Wikipedia. Currently I am on the fence on this, in principal I am against long-term semi-protection but this level of vandalism is annoying but not hard work to revert as of yet. Cheers Lethaniol 17:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have further thoughts on this?. BScar23625

I'm not sure why Badminton is the article to be so familiar with vandalism, what the point from anon user, they really not respect other works. I hope to restore semi-pro, but ask for another time could be hard, wait for next few days to see the progress. --Aleenf1 12:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry but vandalism of a page once a day is not really that much in comparison with many - and is easy to handle. Fine to use semi-protection when the vandalism load is great, but this is not the time IMHO. Cheers Lethaniol 16:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Lethaniol. Are you still sure about that?. Bob BScar23625 15:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Lol okay you just saw me revert the obscene vandalism - I agree we should ask for a semi-protect - which I will do, as there has been a sharp increase in the amount and severity of vandalism over the last couple of days. Cheers Lethaniol 15:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Lethaniol. That is fine. I am sure you meant well and I am not mocking. I don't know why this particular article attracts the kind of attention it does. Bob BScar23625 15:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Probably because you get some fool thinking - what sport do I think is really silly, or shuttlecock isn't that a funny word. Hey how are we to understand such people - I would have thought there were better things to do with your like. Cheers Lethaniol 15:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

There are many grammatical errors in the 'COMPETITION' section. It seems to have been written by someone who may not speak English as a first language. As I am not knowledgeable on this subject, I have chosen not to edit this article for fear of misinterpretation. Could someone who is well-informed on this subject please make the necessary adjustments? See below.

  • I've edited the section for grammar and writing style. I have minimal knowledge about the tournaments, however, so I might have introduced errors. If Aleen or someone else could check over my edits for factual accuracy, it would be helpful. Mike Hopley 22:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

"Start 2007, IBF introduced the New Tournament Structure, known as Super Series, the 6-star tournament (level 2) will play in 12 countries with the minimum prize of USD$200,000 (All-England, China, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Singapore, Switzerland). The participants limited to 32 players form previous 64. The players have to be collect the points in ability to play in season-ending masters event, also in China with a grand prize of USD$500,000. [15] [16]

With the introduction of Super Series, IBF also standardized all the badminton event start 2007. The Grand Prix Gold open tournament (level 3, 4-star) will be offer the prize money of USD$125,000, with 10 countries will selected to organise this event. The Grand Prix Gold event will combine with Grand Prix event (3-star), which offer the prize money of USD$50,000.

In the fourth level event (A-star), known as International Challenge, offer USD$15,000, also the International Series, offer USD$5,000, is the competition to cater more junior player. The 28 and 55 tournaments are schedule for both events respectively."

[edit] Splitting off the Competitions section?

I think the information in the competitions section is highly detailed and technical. Is this something that most readers of the main article are going to be interested in?

In my view, this might be better placed in a separate article, with a summary section linking to the full text.

Thoughts, anyone? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mike Hopley (talk • contribs) 23:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

That is SMALL section, it shouldn't split, but if you thinking out of how to shorten the size, it might ok, but do what you think even need to split. Thank you. --Aleenf1 05:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is small, so I can see your point: if we split it, we would only make a small saving, and the new article could look a bit silly on its own. Mike Hopley 09:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Shuttlecock" or "shuttle"

The word "shuttlecock" appears a great many times in the article. Sometimes I use the abbreviation "shuttle". I think we should choose a convention: either use "shuttlecock" everywhere, or abbreviate to shuttle in all places that are not defining instances.

I favour abbreviating to "shuttle" (except in defining instances), because it will make the article more readable (sentences with multiple occurrences of "shuttlecock" seem quite ponderous to me). I also think the abbreviation is easily recognisable.

Also, include the fact that many call the shuttlecock a "birdie"
This colloquialism is already noted in the main article, shuttlecock; I don't think regional slang adds much to the badminton article. Mike Hopley 23:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you think? Mike Hopley 10:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Stick with shuttlecock throughout the article please :) Cheers Lethaniol 13:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scoring system development

There is a little mistake in this section. In 1992, when two players tied at 13-13 the player who had first reached that score could decide elect to set and play to 18; and when they tied at 14-14, the player who had first reached that score could decide elect to set and play to 17.

For women's singles tied at 9-9, the player could decide elect to set and play to 13; and players tied at 10-10, could decide to set an play to 12.

Later, the choice of 18 (13 for women's singles) was deleted. I'm sorry, but my english is very bad to change it in the article. MontanNito 22:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two suggestions

Hi there,

I have two suggestions for this article -

  1. Have a See Also section at the bottom (common with other articles e.g. see Tennis theirs is probably a bit long).
  2. The scoring system could do with a part at the top saying that this system has only just come into force (IBF/date) and that some people may be still be using older systems - link to historical section above. Also the scoring system is still very hard to read not sure how to make better - but makes much more sense when you read IBF's version.
I have rewritten the scoring/service section to make it easier to read/understand (unfortunately I forgot my edit summary). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mike Hopley (talk • contribs) 14:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

Cheers Cheers Lethaniol 03:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Have added a See also section - but not a vast number of links available. Suggest that articles of lists be made e.g. on the International Badminton Bodies, all players that have won the World Champs / Olympics, all racquet sports etc.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lethaniol (talk • contribs) 11:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
Kick out the "other racquet sport", the governing body and Badminton Olympics actually link already in content, so why repeat again? No sense Aleenf1 17:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a very good reason for having a See Also section - loads of people wont read the whole article and will just want to see where else they can be led to within Wikipedia - hence the See Also section. So for example in the article on George Bush there will be a see also section with a wikilink to the Republican party even though it will have a link in the text. You can use wikilinks more than once - and at the mo this article in under wikilinked.
In terms of the Other racket sports - why delete it - it is relevant and the sort of thing people will be interested in.
Oh and I think all the years in a historical section should be wikilinked please. Cheers Lethaniol 17:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, "other racquet sport" is keeping, but the other will kickout, also in Wikipedia:Manual of Style, year should not be link except it relevant to the content. Sorry. --Aleenf1 17:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay fair enough remove some of the dates - but keep the 1860s one as culturally relevant and the dates of set up of Bad and IBF as important to compare with other events. And with respect to the See Also section - you must have this in, and it should contain the most sort after 5 links on Badminton in Wikipedia at least - to not do so is silly. Cheers Lethaniol 17:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay again you are right about the Wikipedia:See_also#See_also - had not read before you gave link. Cheers Lethaniol 18:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for unprotection

Have requested for this page to be unprotected - as has been protected for over a month now. What with FAC - there will be lots of editing going on, and vandalism will be easily reverted, and we will need the help of anon IPs to bring this article up to scratch. Cheers Lethaniol 12:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automated Peer review

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You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Cheers Lethaniol 12:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] String tension

The article states "It is a common misconception that lower string tension increases power, and higher string tension increases control. Higher string tensions actually increase both power and control, until the player reaches a maximum playable tension."

While I believe that this is correct, the misconception does appear to be very common indeed, including on Ashaway's website (and the same article reproduced at badminton.tv), so it would be great if someone could find a good reference. There's this at Badminton Central, but it seems somewhat wrong to take Kwun's word over Ashaway's... Jamiewebb 02:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I've rewritten this to be more neutral, considering that neither view has any evidence for it whatsoever ;) Mike Hopley 10:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone explain why the string is not strung diagonally, both ways of course, across the racquet face? The longest length in this pattern is shorter than in the conventional up-and-down, side-to-side pattern. Under the same tension, the string will response a little bit faster.Zymogen 21:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strokes section rewrite

I have rewritten the basic strokes section as continuous prose, replacing the long list that was a complaint in the Featured Article nomination. If this goes down well, I will give advanced strokes a similar treatment, and both will be subsumed under the new heading of badminton strokes.

Benefits:

  1. Wikipedia prefers content in prose rather than long lists.
  2. I think the new prose gives better context.
  3. Three headings are removed from the excessively long Table of Contents, with a further four headings to disappear later.

Update

Okay, the advanced strokes section is now prose too. I haven't kept absolutely every stroke that was in the list; I think illustrating the general ideas of badminton skills is more important than a complete taxonomy of every possible stroke and deception.

Mike Hopley 14:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Court Length Contradiction

Hi,

I play very amateur Badminton and want to check the lines used for singles rather than doubles. The article shows some contradiction in that under "Playing Court Dimensions" it says "The doubles court is wider than the singles court, but the doubles service court is shorter than the singles service court." but further down under "Strategy" - "Singles" it states "The singles court is narrower than the doubles court, but the same length." Does that mean the shorter court is only used during serving in doubles then they revert to the long court for the rest of play?84.71.137.77 18:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, i think you can see the court image in Badminton article, a good reference there, i hope you can understand. --Aleenf1 06:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok thanks, that seems to make sense and I think that's how I vaguely remembered it from school. I do think the statement under Strategy - Singles that the singles court is the same length as the doubles court should be changed to make the article more accurate.84.71.43.6 12:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Can someone tell me the actuall rules of badminton, not faults or enything just the rules please?

[edit] Suggestion: add a current affairs section

I suggest adding a current affairs section to let readers know what're the traditionally strong nations in badminton and who're the current dominating players and what's going on with badminton. --wil osb 10:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Good idea, but at least must have references to support this, if you have resources, sure all can be done. --Aleenf1 11:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Come to think about it, i think it's better for this to be put as a subsection under History and Development, with the subtitle Current Affairs. --wil osb 11:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

That can be done in the respective article, i don't think so it needed here. I though you might be want to add the popularity of badminton, the first paragraph is ok, but Thomas Cup and Uber Cup also World Badminton Championships can be done in respective article. --Aleenf1 13:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree, i think it's useful to put a short summary of the past performances by various nations in the badminton world. When a person wants to read about badminton, he's also interested in the overview of how nations are faring in this sport. --wil osb 13:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
You can use thousand of reason to defend this, however this is about the "general" of the sport, not the article for overview of performance for any country, refer to other feature article standard, it write about general in that sport, not performances. --Aleenf1 05:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scoring at the Olympics?

I was wondering whether the rally scoring system, now ratified by the IBF, will be used at the upcoming Summer Olympics. If somebody can tell me, with a trusted source, that would very helpful. If the Olympic Comittee has not approved the new scoring, this should definitely be indicated in the article. vlad§inger tlk 19:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The scoring system is run for almost 2 years, so it should be use in Olympic Games. I haven't found the source, but the entry regulations already shown.[4] --Aleenf1 10:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] love the artical

i think that this artical is really interesting and i love it and the game badminton my dream is to do any sport possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.131.76.100 (talk) 16:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)